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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Quote Originally Posted by BogLurch View Post
    . . . On this time scale, EVERYTHING is eventually doomed. Even the park itself is "doomed" and will eventually be closed - or at the very least transformed into some different configuration capable of serving our new Giant Ant masters.
    I haven't read every post on this long thread, but to paraphrase Kent Brockman (who now lives at U Orlando), I for one will welcome our ant overlords and will inform them how useful a former Jungle Cruise Guide/Submarine Voyage captain (in the 80s) could be in rounding up the masses.

    Iger is reeeaaaally into technology and maybe his MyMagic+ was his way of making his two officially named potential successors (Rasulo and Staggs) seem less attractive to take his place. That way he can remain on as a $30-million a year CEO/Churro of the Board for even longer. He did just get a contract extension. Two or three years ago it was thought that Staggs would replace Iger when his contract ended.

    The late Roy Disney, Jr. twice helped Disney get new head honchos. If the biggest shareholder--Steve Jobs' widow--and the famous second-biggest shareholder, George Lucas, some Disney family members, and that Marvel guy teamed up they could get Disney fresh leadership. Isn't Steve Burke's contract up soon? Or how about Alan Horn? Or Katzenberg if he sells his Dreamworks Animation share to Universal? Or Lasseter in the visionary Walt/young Eisner role with Staggs as his #2 Frank Wells guy?

    The current main purpose of the Disney company is the short-term goal of getting Bob Iger $30 million a year for as long as possible. The comfortably wealthy Iger is articulate and extremely charming with former weatherman TV skills, but he needs to spend more time with his family and explore other opportunities.
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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Quote Originally Posted by jcruise86 View Post
    The late Roy Disney, Jr. twice helped Disney get new head honchos.
    Right, once with Eisner, who was asked to step down, and then again to get Iger who is now being asked to step down? Why would this be seen as a good viable option?

    SaveDisney was a farce. A personal vendetta against the Eisner. Nothing more. If Iger were to be replaced, it would be with someone who had the exact same goals: to make money. If it weren't, the company's would get reamed on the street, bought and split up. The Walt Disney Company would cease to exist.

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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    Right, once with Eisner, who was asked to step down, and then again to get Iger who is now being asked to step down? . . .

    SaveDisney was a farce. . . If Iger were to be replaced, it would be with someone who had the exact same goals: to make money.
    I meant ousting Eisner and (about 22 years before that) replacing Ron Miller with a young Michael Eisner and Frank Wells.

    I believe Walt's favorite reason to make money was so that he could create more things. Steve Jobs lived modestly relative to his wealth, and some people are more avaricious and short-term than others. It's hard for me to believe that Thomas Edison was just in it for the money. And my all-time favorite famous American, Ben Franklin, retired from full-time printing in his 40s and put all of his useful inventions into the public domain. Mankind is our business and if Adam Smith saw how his his invisible hand was used to justify slapping people today he wouldn't stop throwing up.

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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Yeah capitalism blows.

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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    Yeah capitalism blows.
    . . .but as Churchill said, every other system is even worse.

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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Neither capitalism or the desire to make money dictate massive acquisitions, a tent pole film strategy or operating theme parks like malls.

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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    Neither capitalism or the desire to make money dictate massive acquisitions, a tent pole film strategy or operating theme parks like malls.
    Like socialism, non-altruistic capitalism is self-serving in that it primarily benefits the powers that control the colose to all of a given evonomy, and ultimately drive the vast majority into poverty. It takes a large degree of Walt/Franllin-like altruistic capitalism to avoid operating theme parks like malls.
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    Disney has cycled between making bold moves to being risk adverse many times in the past. EuroDisney's first year troubles helped kill Westcot and led to the trend of smaller parks that needed to be expanded over time (DCA, HKDL, WDSP). It looked like Cars Land and the Shanghai plans would be the start of a new era, but hopefully the missteps with MyMagic won't spell the beginning of another risk adverse period, especially with Universal now committed to a new attraction per year.

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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    Neither capitalism or the desire to make money dictate massive acquisitions, a tent pole film strategy or operating theme parks like malls.
    You're right. They do those things to make people happy.

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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Quote Originally Posted by jcruise86 View Post
    . . .but as Churchill said, every other system is even worse.
    He said that about democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CASurfer65 View Post
    Of course they would. The Disneyland these kids have come to know is becoming almost entirely movie-based. They have to do very little thinking when they enter the gates of the park. I...
    Does Disneyland have to be thought-provoking? No. But for those of us who saw what the park was like when it was that way, it was special. And it was what made Walt and his vision unique.
    This post is beautiful. It's exactly how I see Disneyland. A place where imagination can roam free.

    My son says he goes to Disneyland because he wants to have some "adventure". What does that mean? He says he's on a rocket ship to mars when he goes on Space Mountain. Then he becomes small and rides the Teacups. He wants to find the Snowman and fight him. It's all a major adventure to him.

    Turning the park into a movie franchise would definitely kill its charm. Why think about what Space Mountain really is? Or what PotC is about? I can ride them 3 or 4 or 10 times and each time it's a different thing. Tom Sawyer island, a ride on the Mark Twain - it can be a different experience each and every time. You just need to fire up your imagination. Soarin' fires up your imagination. Fantasyland, I'd argue, is not a complete narrative - you can fill up the blanks any way you want; even the humble Dumbo can be an experience with enough thought. RSR is a dream. It could have been a rethread of a movie, but it's not.

    OTOH, Star Wars is a 3D movie. Muppet3D too, and that's why I assume it bores people to death. Same with Captain EO. That´s the huge risk of trying to adapt movie franchises, I guess. There's this risk of just going along with the ride, so to speak.

    At least, that's what I think.

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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    ^^^

    This is the same point I've been trying to make as well, in various topics over time -

    When you have rides with rich back-story (PotC pre Jack Sparrow, Haunted Mansion, Mine Train thru Natures Wonderland, Adventure Thru Inner Space, Flight to the Moon/Mars, Jungle Cruise, Big Thunder, Space Mountain, Matterhorn, original Submarine Voyage) ... we make ourselves the "Disney character" and fill in our own personal story - within our own imaginations.

    As soon as our attention is extroverted to pay attention to the adventures or misadventures of someone else - the human mind is less "engaged" .. and take more of a "backseat" to watch their story unfold ... scene to scene.

    Perhaps most people like to call these older attractions "classic" ... for reasons they are not very conscious of. And then today's management are too franchise character obsessed ... and have forgotten, or don't care!
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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Wilkinson View Post
    I'm OK with the Subs closing for good. They take up a lot of space, have a low capacity and are slow boarding. I feel the same about Autopia. I enjoyed them as a kid but I realize that they are past their prime. I find it curious that people bark about idea of Star Wars ruining Tomorrowland's theme when there's nothing futuristic about either the subs or the cars. Disneyland's themes are about places and just as importantly they are about particular times. Right now TL is completely out of time. Star Wars or Tron, both or something else needs to be done but don't hang on to things just because you enjoyed them as a kid. I love Journey Thru Inner Space but I love Star Tours a lot more! Kids today would be bored with JTIS.
    Submarines are not futuristic?? Dude, what are you talking about?.....
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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Submarines are not futuristic?? Dude, what are you talking about?.....
    While there may be futuristic technology on newer submarines, the of concept of submarines are far from futuristic. This is why I would be glad if the subs went away. The "futuristic" technologies of submarines only appeal to a small, small demographic. The ride mainly attracts people because its underwater, not because they see submarines as the founding of the future.

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    Re: Submarines plan to close permanently Jan 4 other bad news

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Amazing post, man
    Appreciated! I guess I just feel that with the rumors of Star Wars taking over Tomorrowland even more than it already has, I don't see the park moving in the direction of my liking. And that's what these boards are here for. To discuss and debate.

    I know the masses will disagree with me though, and that's why things aren't going to change any time soon. If ever. Movies will continue to dominate the landscape, I suppose. Because that's what so many respond to nowadays.

    It won't keep me from discussing it though....and expressing my feelings. Even if it becomes somewhat ad nauseam.

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