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    Re: Rocket Rods Hatred

    I guess it's hard for some to believe but not everyone wants a fast-paced thrill ride. Some of us like the trains and yes, even the PeopleMover. If it looks boring to you then go on something else. There were plenty of us that just plain liked how it went through so many other places in Tomorrowland. also, it was a pretty good "people eater" as Walt would put it. The cars didn't stop so you just hopped on and off and it kept going at a steady pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fifthrider View Post
    There were plenty of us that just plain liked how it went through so many other places in Tomorrowland.
    Just not enough of you to justify keeping it open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    Just not enough of you to justify keeping it open.
    Please, show us the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneylandDragon View Post
    Please, show us the numbers.
    I don't have to. The proof is in the fact that they closed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    I don't have to. The proof is in the fact that they closed it.
    Numbers had nothing to do with why it was closed. Don't come in here with that weaksauce! You bring neither proof or facts to justify your claim. If numbers were so important, why is Captain EO still operating? Why do they keep Pinnochio open? Why did the Submarine voyage come back? Your assumption is invalid. There is just not enough facts to justify your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneylandDragon View Post
    Numbers had nothing to do with why it was closed.
    Numbers are the only reason they close anything at Disneyland. It's the reason why they closed the PeopleMover instead of Space Mountain. It's also the reason why they bother to put turnstiles at the exits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    I don't have to. The proof is in the fact that they closed it.
    During our family vacations to DL, the Peoplemover was popular until the year it was removed. It's silly to sugest Disney only closes on-stage areas because nobody uses them any more. Especially during the 1990's, Disney management often closed areas simply to save money.

    Submarine Voyage.
    Tahitian Terrace.
    Town Square Cafe.
    Skyway.
    America Sings.
    Main Street Electrical Parade.
    Thunder Ranch Barbecue (open again, but with a different format).

    I'm sure the Peoplemover was removed as part of the ill-conceived 1998 Tomorrowland remodel. The Disney managers in charge of that mess were completely out of touch with their customer base. Tomorrowland still suffers from that debacle.

    The Peoplemover (similar to the DLRR and Main Street vehicles) was a nice change-of-pace, where you could relax and take a leisurely trip through the themed land. You had a glimpse of several other attractions, and a nice view of Tomorrowland from above. Along with the Skyway and Monorail, it added to the sense of motion and energy in Tomorrowland 1967.

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    Re: Rocket Rods Hatred

    The PM closed to "revitalize" Tomorrowland. But the revitalization failed on so many levels. But because they screwed up so badly, the PM couldn't come back without another overhaul and OSHA upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomorrowland67 View Post
    It's silly to sugest Disney only closes on-stage areas because nobody uses them any more. Especially during the 1990's, Disney management often closed areas simply to save money.
    It's true they close areas to save money, but the areas they close are the ones that they feel justified in closing due to their low numbers.

    They don't close popular rides like Space Mountain and Star Tours because their numbers are higher and they bring in people (and dollars) to the park.

    Missions to Mars and PeopleMover get closed because they can't justify the cost of operating them against the number of visitors riding/paying for them. The same thing happened with America Sings and CircleVision and CaptainEO and pretty much everything else that has ever closed at Disneyland.

    Think about this: if the PeopleMover would really bring in visitors (and money) to the park, why haven't they rebuilt it? It's not coming back because they can't justify the cost of rebuilding it against the money it would bring in. Otherwise they would have done it yesterday.

    This is pretty much the basics of how any business operates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRaymond View Post
    The PM closed to "revitalize" Tomorrowland.
    And WHY do you think they felt they needed to revitalize Tomorrowland? And WHY do you think Space Mountain was left alone in these revitalization plans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fifthrider View Post
    I guess it's hard for some to believe but not everyone wants a fast-paced thrill ride. Some of us like the trains and yes, even the PeopleMover. If it looks boring to you then go on something else. There were plenty of us that just plain liked how it went through so many other places in Tomorrowland. also, it was a pretty good "people eater" as Walt would put it. The cars didn't stop so you just hopped on and off and it kept going at a steady pace.
    All true!!
    Perhaps those who like some slower rides for whatever reason, be it health restrictions, height or age restriction, motion sickness, or just personal choice just don't matter compared to those who want to go fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    And WHY do you think they felt they needed to revitalize Tomorrowland? And WHY do you think Space Mountain was left alone in these revitalization plans?
    The wanted to 'revitalize' it because they no ideas of their own to improve it. SM revitalized TL when it opened but they stopped there. Star Tours did the same thing but they stopped there.

    SM was left alone for one reason, it was a fairly new roller coaster. All they did was paint the building. But by your logic, when will SM be upgraded? And I'm not talking about cleaning the building. Even now the maintenance on the track is good but the show is poor, lights and effects out, cue area filthy and boring, etc.

    Mission to Mars closed because they never updated it and Star Tours was put in. Two rides featuring space travel is redundant. If Star Tours wasn't built the MtM could have been upgraded to this kind of simulator.

    America Sings closed because of no upgrades and the story stagnated, but what upgrades have they done since closing it? Innovations? They don't want to spend money.

    CircleVision closed because it was boring and they needed space for the RR cue. They knew the cue for RR would back up. But is BLAB really an upgrade?

    The Rocket Jets still gets riders but why did they move it during the 'revitalization?' To get more riders? Was the platform damaged? No, they didn't want to pay for the elevator.

    I'm not a MJ fan, sorry. I saw Cap EO when it opened and that's the last time. The theater should have been re-purposed 30 years ago.

    RR could have been great but again, they didn't spend the money to do it the kind of justice that Disney is known for. The constant breakdowns, long lines and poor quality destroyed it.
    There was a plan to bring back the PM after RR closed but the track had been modified/damaged. New PM cars would have been needed and they lost the 'grandfather status' that the old PM enjoyed. So to bring it back required new cars, new track, larger opening in buildings, more evac zones, etc. It's no wonder it's never came back.

    The 'revitalization' had the potential to be great but all they did was close rides, move a ride, repaint the place an ugly color and call it 'better.' TL needs an overhaul now and it will need to be closed to do it, so they won't do it. There are no 'idea men' in corporate suits. They just want to put a franchise character into a ride and call it 'improved'.

    That said, I would like to see an overhauled TL and an improved PM. Not StarWarsLand or MarvelLand. Here's an idea; buy property across the street from Disneyland, build MarvelLand over there and use a high speed PM to get there.
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    The real skinny on why the PM closed was because they did the 98 remodel of Tomorrowland with hopes of attracting more guests. Management wanted another thrill ride because that's what people usually want. PM was replaced with Rocket Rods to satisfy that need. PM never did poorly in ride attendence, with a capacity of 4k guests an hour, even when only half that, it pulled in more guests than Subs and Autotopia combined. Rods failed miserably, after closing, it was discovered that Rocket Rods violent nature of accelerating and stopping caused structural damage to the tracks. This would cause major money to fix with multiple phases and closures of major attractions, which TDA has yet to understandably go forward with to bring back one beloved ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    I don't have to. The proof is in the fact that they closed it.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    Numbers are the only reason they close anything at Disneyland. It's the reason why they closed the PeopleMover instead of Space Mountain. It's also the reason why they bother to put turnstiles at the exits.
    Way to totally obstinately ignore what's being said to you.
    For what it's worth I think you're actually likely wrong about the reason for the PeopleMover closure. It was closed because they wanted to replace it with a new ride. That is as clear as anything.

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    Ask yourself this: is it cost effective to take an attraction with a very large capacity and replace it with a much lower capacity attraction with potentially much higher operational and maintenance costs?

    Unless you have access to the actual numbers on any of these things, this is ALL speculation. The backwards logic "proof is in the fact that they closed it" line just doesn't work.

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