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    Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    Hi all,

    This is my first thread. I've been reading about the long lines and crowded parks in numerous threads. There seems to be some questions about the impact of annual passport holders. This got me thinking. Would a different, modified, or expanded Downtown Disney make a difference? What do you think Disney could have done or could possibly still do to alleviate the locals from the park to DD without the visitors doing the same?

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    I think that Disney should look at Universal Orlando's City Walk as an example. Out of the four DD/CityWalks, that is the only one I have gone to without just walking through to a theme park or someplace else. It has a good selection of restaurants that are also a bit interactive, like at NBA City how you can compare your hand to NBA superstars' hands. It is also designed as a place where everyone, resort guests, tourists, and locals, can hang out. DD is more for resort guests and DL and DCA visitors in my opinion.

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    Great insight Imagineer45,
    When you mention that DD is designed more for resort guests and visitors, do you think that target audience is willing to spend a lot of time outside the parks? The largest land footprint (building) is the theatres. Do people really use it? I never see people around or in it like my local movies. I think a lot could be done to improve DD and the impact of overcrowding in the parks. More idea????

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    I think at its heart, DTD is basically a mall. Malls in America are dying a slow, but certain death and I don't think anything can be done to stop it. The only sort of exception to this is places like DTD and Citywalk, and all the shops inside casinos in Vegas where you basically have a captive audience on vacation who wants to shop while they're there, and is to an extent willing to overpay when they do because it's part of the trip, not just regular shopping. Any local business the shops get is gravy, but I think the business model assumes most of the revenue will not be from local shoppers.

    I don't really see it as an avenue to "fix" overcrowding in the parks any more so than it already does take some people out for dining purposes, and hey if they shop some more before/after meal reservations, great. But other than making sure the actual businesses there are desirable (or finding replacements that are theoretically more desirable than what's currently there), I don't see much room for improving the draw to DTD and away from the parks.

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    Just listned to a Disneyland podcast one of the presenters mentioned bring mad tea party and swing dancing to dtd instead of parks. I think that would be a great idea. Bring more energy their and potentialy reducing crowds somewhat.

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    Quote Originally Posted by Callaghans View Post
    Just listned to a Disneyland podcast one of the presenters mentioned bring mad tea party and swing dancing to dtd instead of parks. I think that would be a great idea. Bring more energy their and potentialy reducing crowds somewhat.
    There's something to be said about the vibe from within the park that makes you feel a little safer. Sure, there's alcohol served at Mad T Party, but because the area is more contained than anywhere in DTD, it's unlikely that things get too rowdy in the parks. Take it outdoors and I think you set yourself up for disaster.

    Swing dancing is something else entirely and I think having it in DTD is a great idea.

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    One thing I really miss, that I think they should have put in California's Downtown Disney, is the clubs they had in Florida's version. Specifically, the Adventurer's Club, although the other clubs had something for other interests. The clubs became much more of a destination, which helped Downtown Disney be an entire night out. I always hoped they would put that in here.

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    I've never understood why they used so much space on it since space is at a premium at DLR. Maybe it's just a case of "I don't use it so it's dead to me" (like people are with Bug's Land). But it might have been better for DCA if they'd reserved more of that land for DCA expansion and built a smaller version of DTD on the west side of Disneyland Dr.

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    I think that DTD in Anaheim would benefit from an addition of venues that offer live entertainment. The most logical place for something like this would be with an expansion going south of the AMC theaters The issue with that is the hotel parking area and the entrance road that leads into this parking and the roundabout within the property.

    an expansion in this area would help make the Paradise pier hotel seem more as an addition to the resort instead of a stand alone Disney Orel that is separated by street and parking spaces.

    the additional venues would also give resort guests and additional venue to spend the evenings closer to the three hotels and still be close enough to parking areas for locals to enjoy without having to go walk through all of DTD.


    the other missed opportunity for a DTD expansion and extra revenue for Disney is the lack of shopping areas or eateries on the eastern side of the property.

    the eastern esplanade with its numerous ticket booths and overly large toy story drop off zone are underutilized. I have been at the resort at some of the most crowded times and never do they use all the ticket booths and with the constant flow of toy story buses there is little need for two sides of drop areas. Instead the drop area could be shortened and ticket booths along with security tents can be easily redesigned so that they are integrated into a small shopping eating area. An expansion of a Disney store along with eateries that offer quick food options would bring in revenue that is lost by guests that never head west into the existing Downtown Disney but Instead find it easy to go across the street to Mcdonalds, Denny's or IHOP.

    with that said I am really surprised at some of the decisions that Anaheim city council has taken when it comes to the resort area. Tourism is in an upswing and instead of luring hotel chains to come in and replace some of the existing old rundown motels along harbor they are allowing places like Walgreens and CVS to build huge shops right in the middle of the resort.

    soon their will be a walgreens on one corner of harbor and katella right against Disney property across the street their will be a brand new CVS and of course across from that 7-eleven and in the last corner the old corner shopping center with high priced liquor store

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    The problem with Downtown Disney is that Californians have a more interesting mall to hangout in next door like boorish, ill-behaved teens of yesteryear... Disneyland.

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    They should just make Downtown Disney part of DCA and add some attractions.

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    I agree with most of what Baloo said about expanding DTD, those are good basic concepts for providing what's currently missing. While I definitely do think that AP's spend some time there, I don't really see it ever being a major draw as to impact the crowds at DL.
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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    I think the best way to get the most out of DD is to spend a day there. For example, usually when I go (being out of state my trips are around 5 days long), the first day is basically a relaxing day where we just hang out around the hotel and Downtown Disney. I just walk around all the shops and usually eat at the restaurants. I think they could do a better job especially with more activities since it's mostly shops but I do manage to squeeze enough enjoyment out of it.

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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    A little history helps with understanding Downtown Disney, DCA and the rest of the Anaheim Resort District. What we have now was cobbled together from several different master plans, all of which contained a shopping/dining/hotel district. The original Westcot plan was much more all inclusive and thoughtfully planned out than what we ended up with. There was more parking, an innovative people mover system, a WDW-like transport hub, and an amphitheater similar to Universal. There was much more planned for DTD than what was eventually built. The Disneyland Resort of today is a mess of compromises made with the City, local businesses, residents and Burbank's sharp pencil boys. Many of the problems the resort has now, such as parking, were foreseen long ago and could have been prevented.
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    Re: Was Disney short sighted in their creation of Downtown Disney?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcatrik View Post
    I've never understood why they used so much space on it since space is at a premium at DLR. Maybe it's just a case of "I don't use it so it's dead to me" (like people are with Bug's Land). But it might have been better for DCA if they'd reserved more of that land for DCA expansion and built a smaller version of DTD on the west side of Disneyland Dr.
    They built a section of the resort that is pure revenue with none of those pesky rides to get in the way of the shops and restaurants. From their point of view it's probably the best part of the resort. If anything they probably are kicking themselves that they didn't build it a lot bigger. Back in 2000 they would have had an oppertunity to built it where Garden Walk is now.
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