View Poll Results: Adventures Through Inner Space vs. Star Tours

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  • I would rather have ATIS back instead of ST.

    30 31.58%
  • I like ST and think replacing ATIS was a valid idea.

    59 62.11%
  • I don't like either one of them and would like something else.

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    I have NEVER heard proof that Walt Disney Actualy said that fantasyland was the only land for movie characters (it wouldn't work now anyways, it's themed to fairytales and a European Village, of course back then Walt mostly did fairytales) much of Walts work was inspired by other movies and tvseries so you can't just look at fantasyland and make that claim Walt didn't know what characters would be created or were imagination would take him


    it's funny about leaving ATIS behind and all

    I'd bet good money that if it was here today it would've become Buzz instead of the circlevision something tells me that Sci-Fi is just the way the Disney company will do Tomorrowlands from here on out (and suprise suprise it works)

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    I'd say star tours, just a few updates and it would be better






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    Quote Originally Posted by prillzilla
    I always called it the "Monsanto" ride as that's who sponsered it. But I always enjoy Star Tours too. It makes me want to go home and watch Star Wars. I do think Star Tours might need to be updated sometime. But I bet that's do-able. I don't think they could have updated Inner Space.
    Our family always called it the Monsanto Buliding...I always got freaked out by the big eye at the end...and I miss CircleVision...

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    As wonderful as it was, Inner Space was too dated to have survived (unchanged). I think Star Tours is at the same place. Now that you can ride motion simulators in every amusement park and mall in the world, Disney needs to spice up this attraction or replace it.
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    Well, just to recap: Dumbo, Casey Jr., Storybookland, Motor Boat Cruise, it's a small world... not European. If this 1980s European makeover for the southern half of Fantasyland is too limiting, go back to the original... It seamlessly incorporated modern America, including Fantasyland Autopia and Midget Autopia, Canal Boats of the World, and the Mickey Mouse Club Theater too.

    Walt Disney didn't have dark rides outside of Fantasyland on opening day, and neither New Orleans Square nor the World on the Move Tomorrowland included animated movies brought to life. So, maybe Walt didn't SAY that was his intent, but his actions certainly speak volumes.

    Had Star Tours been built in a different building, I think the destruction of Tomorrowland that began in 1988 with the closure of America Sings would have been slowed down or completely halted. Instead of the dreadful Tomorrowland 98, with one movie being replaced with a worse one, one show/ride being replaced with a restaurant, one empty show building becoming an unenjoyable exhibit, and two attractions morphing to become the ill-fated RocketRods. ATIS wasn't If You Had Wings. It was good. If it had been left in its original building, it would have benefitted from having Star Tours in the same land, and kept a large audience -- something a show has a much harder time doing. In short, keeping ATIS and creating Star Tours too might have made the difference between keeping the best land in Disneyland the best, and what we had under the last reign of terror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ModHatter
    Well, just to recap: Dumbo, Casey Jr., Storybookland, Motor Boat Cruise, it's a small world... not European. If this 1980s European makeover for the southern half of Fantasyland is too limiting, go back to the original... It seamlessly incorporated modern America, including Fantasyland Autopia and Midget Autopia, Canal Boats of the World, and the Mickey Mouse Club Theater too.

    Walt Disney didn't have dark rides outside of Fantasyland on opening day, and neither New Orleans Square nor the World on the Move Tomorrowland included animated movies brought to life. So, maybe Walt didn't SAY that was his intent, but his actions certainly speak volumes.

    Had Star Tours been built in a different building, I think the destruction of Tomorrowland that began in 1988 with the closure of America Sings would have been slowed down or completely halted. Instead of the dreadful Tomorrowland 98, with one movie being replaced with a worse one, one show/ride being replaced with a restaurant, one empty show building becoming an unenjoyable exhibit, and two attractions morphing to become the ill-fated RocketRods. ATIS wasn't If You Had Wings. It was good. If it had been left in its original building, it would have benefitted from having Star Tours in the same land, and kept a large audience -- something a show has a much harder time doing. In short, keeping ATIS and creating Star Tours too might have made the difference between keeping the best land in Disneyland the best, and what we had under the last reign of terror.

    well technicaly Mansion and Pirates are darkrides just more impressive ones, I'm going to say that there wasn't much Walt COULD do at the time and there is NO way of knowing what he would do or say now, there isn't anny conclusive proof that fantasyland was THE toon land only that it was a fairytaleish land that walt had set up with a very vague theme (though driving is a fantasy for littler kids that are too small to drive the Autopia and can't see driving as their future )

    I don't think the fantasyland remake should be rolled back, the toons just naturaly fit in some lands other then were they are it's just about how they're presented that can get annoying


    as far as Tomorrowland goes I think HISTA was much better then EO at least as far as being dated goes (people remeber EO as more then it was and honestly people EXPECT modern 3D movies to jump out at them more with air guns and the like) what kind of crowds did ATIS have near the end? would it really have been that popular

    either way I think Tomorrowland is getting much more balanced at this point (I do agree that Circlevision or Mission to Mars would've been better at least back in the day, I mean did Mission to Mars even have anything going on in it when Star Tours opend?)

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    Star Tours.....

    If only Lucas and Disney can peacefully live in harmony for once and UPDATE THE RIDE. Yeah, that would make me and my nerdy boyfriend happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jspider
    well technicaly Mansion and Pirates are darkrides just more impressive ones,
    But you see, that has nothing to do with what I said:
    Walt Disney didn't have dark rides outside of Fantasyland on opening day, and neither New Orleans Square nor the World on the Move Tomorrowland included animated movies brought to life.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jspider
    I'm going to say that there wasn't much Walt COULD do at the time and there is NO way of knowing what he would do or say now, there isn't anny conclusive proof that fantasyland was THE toon land only that it was a fairytaleish land that walt had set up with a very vague theme (though driving is a fantasy for littler kids that are too small to drive the Autopia and can't see driving as their future )
    Hmmm... well, a little research shows he could have built Fantasia, Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp, 101 Dalmatians, and Jungle Book, so there was in fact a LOT he could do, IF that was his intent. But, in two MAJOR projects he took on within the park, he chose not to. Fantasyland was, in fact, the only land with toon rides in Walt's time. That's irrefutable fact, thus Todd was making a very logical statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jspider
    I don't think the fantasyland remake should be rolled back, the toons just naturaly fit in some lands other then were they are it's just about how they're presented that can get annoying

    as far as Tomorrowland goes I think HISTA was much better then EO at least as far as being dated goes (people remeber EO as more then it was and honestly people EXPECT modern 3D movies to jump out at them more with air guns and the like) what kind of crowds did ATIS have near the end? would it really have been that popular

    either way I think Tomorrowland is getting much more balanced at this point (I do agree that Circlevision or Mission to Mars would've been better at least back in the day, I mean did Mission to Mars even have anything going on in it when Star Tours opend?)
    If you look at the rides getting rave reviews lately, it's certainly not Disneyland's Pooh. It's Soarin', it's Test Track, it's Mission:Space, it's JTTCOTE... Nothing to do with Disney animation, or even Pixar animation.

    Tomorrowland was perfectly balanced way back when. It's only now that Tomorrowland Autopia swallowed up Fantasyland Autopia, Nemo is invading, and the poor Rocket Jets got thrown out to the curb by the hub that the land is getting lopsided.

    Buzz is a step in the right direction, but it's a step that would have been largely unnecessary if Star Tours had found a different home.
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    This one's hard for me. I love both of these attractions. I'd like to see a newer version of Star Tours, though, and I think the basic idea of ATIS is valid and worthy of a remake with newer technology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gibbage
    Thats the thing. They only remember the good things. Not the fact that it was slow or boring in todays standards.

    I say, along with the people mover, good riddens. If we dont progress, riding a pack mule would still be an E-ticket.
    I'd like to gently suggest that a ride's speed has less to do with its entertainment value than one might think, that the bored are often responsible for their own boredom, and that measuring accomplishments by today's standards is only a sure-fire way to create something that will feel dated tomorrow.

    Progress is a worthless ideal in and of itself; it derives its value from the fixed point of reference toward which one is progressing. Without the point of reference, progress isn't progress at all--it's just change for the sake of change. Building faster rides or "spicing up" Florida's Tiki Room (for example) with "edgier" humor just because someone has decided that these things are expected by today's standards is a strategy that will in the end result in mediocrity and death.

    To take the high road: to discern what the public needs, not what it thinks it wants; to determine what challenges to its preconceptions the public will accept and in what respects it will demand to stay on familiar ground--this, I think, is exactly what Walt was about, and what the Disney company might still be about were it run by bold and insightful leaders.

    I don't mean to suggest that excellent things don't age (though certainly they age more slowly than mediocre things) or that no such thing as progress exists. I simply submit that excellence is the only goal really worth aiming for. Rides built to be excellent will sometimes go fast. Rides built to be fast on account of "today's standards" will almost without exception fail to be excellent.

    ATIS was built to be excellent. Its effects were eventually obsoleted by technological advances, but the substance of the attraction--the concept and the writing--have hardly aged a day. The Peoplemover was a concept so basic it couldn't age. (I'm not referring, of course, to its soundtrack. Though I personally still love that because of its age.) The Pack Mules? Well, they certainly presented some logistical problems. I'd still ride 'em, though--and I doubt I'd be alone.

    Don't misunderstand: I'm not arguing for the immediate return of everything that's ever been torn out of Disneyland. I'm suggesting only that "If we dont progress, riding a pack mule would still be an E-ticket" makes a weak case for change.
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    I must say I do enjoy Star Tours even though I have seen it so many times. Although it is "warn out", it is still cute and makes me laugh and smile as I can now quote the lines on my first flight of my vacation.

    But then I again I was born in 1986 and that was when ATIS closed so I only know Star Tours. I <3 R2D2.

    I must also add that as I turn 19, Star Tours does also. This means it is almost 20 years old. Disneyland is turning 50 years old. Just think of how long that attraction has really been there and how it has become a part of Disneyland in its own way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Dean
    ATIS was built to be excellent. Its effects were eventually obsoleted by technological advances, but the substance of the attraction--the concept and the writing--have hardly aged a day. The Peoplemover was a concept so basic it couldn't age. (I'm not referring, of course, to its soundtrack. Though I personally still love that because of its age.) The Pack Mules? Well, they certainly presented some logistical problems. I'd still ride 'em, though--and I doubt I'd be alone.

    Yes, yes exactly. Okay, I'd probably never be allowed on a pack mule, and that's A-OK with me, but the idea is right on. Let's face it. HMH keeps a classic ride reinventing itself, and it will always get new effects when it needs a little more oomph. And look at the way Matterhorn transformed since its first day. Even DRR has gotten upgrades... In 1977, when Monsanto stopped sponsoring the ride, Disney should have taken a hands-on approach to reImagineering different show scenes so that new technology and effects could be added as needed. It's not like Mission to Mars, which itself was a replacement for a somewhat obsolete Moon mission, and which became obsolete when rockets were abandoned in favor of shuttles. ATIS itself isn't outdated. And with the human genome project it's as relevant as ever, maybe even moreso. It's just the scene technology that could use updating. But as a kid, I would have stood in line for an hour just to watch the Microscope shrink people down, because the effect was so convincing. And it still would be for the kids of this generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPigletFan
    IBut then I again I was born in 1986 and that was when ATIS closed ...
    It's posts like this that make me start looking at sites like lifealert.com



    I still remember the day a friend from high school breaking the news that ATIS had been closed.
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    >>Disneyland isn't about rides, it's the magic. It's what other parks will never get!<<

    Adventure thru Inner Space WAS part of that magic...

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