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    Re: DCA jealous of WDSP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorchio
    You just assumed automatically that DLP was rubbish! And how on earth vcan you say DLP is unnecessary! Go onto the DLP forum and say that huh! I am European and I see people like you assuming every non-America thing is rubbish. Can you even name any rides at DLP?
    Wow and to think a Board Mod once told me that I took things here too personally ...
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    Re: DCA jealous of WDSP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorchio
    You just assumed automatically that DLP was rubbish! And how on earth vcan you say DLP is unnecessary! Go onto the DLP forum and say that huh! I am European and I see people like you assuming every non-America thing is rubbish. Can you even name any rides at DLP?
    I'm pretty sure his statement wasn't based on some blind pro-American, anti-foreign sort of feeling, I think it was based on the fact that DLP hasn't been the raging success that Eisner thought it would be, and the addition of WDSP has been looked at as being even worse than DCA when it comes to parks. I mean, sure WDSP has some cool looking stuff, but nothing worth making a trip solely over. Then again, same goes for DCA.

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    Re: DCA jealous of WDSP?

    It gets even sadder if you consider the financial part.

    DLP was built as a separate company. That company is about to go bankrupt. They have borrowed every euro they could, and spent it all on the wrong things, hotels that cannot be filled, a REAL stone Castle that looks just as much stone as the cement ones, and a second "studios" park even though no movies were ever made there.

    It has been one bad decision after another, the location, the hotels, the priorities. All driven my Eisner.

    Now DCA on the other hand, is designed to with the theme of a decaying, out-of-date amusement park of the past. It fits its theme perfectly.
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    Re: DCA jealous of WDSP?

    Apologies, Uzmati, I thought you were trying to say that Disneyland Paris shouldn't have been built at all. This, to me sounded like you thought us Europeans don't need a Disney park, even though without it we would all have to fly for 8 hrs to get to Orlando! Sorry if this is not what you meant.

    By the way, DLP was not truly a failure attendance wise, just finacially. DLP is the 3rd most visited theme park in the whole world! Eisner, however spent so much money on hotels, that DLP went into debt.

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    Re: DCA jealous of WDSP?

    Ohhhh origional Disney Sea. Why did your idea leave us for Tokyo. WHYYYY!!!!???????

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    Re: DCA jealous of WDSP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorchio
    Apologies, Uzmati, I thought you were trying to say that Disneyland Paris shouldn't have been built at all. This, to me sounded like you thought us Europeans don't need a Disney park, even though without it we would all have to fly for 8 hrs to get to Orlando! Sorry if this is not what you meant.

    By the way, DLP was not truly a failure attendance wise, just finacially. DLP is the 3rd most visited theme park in the whole world! Eisner, however spent so much money on hotels, that DLP went into debt.

    No Apology needed. I'm sorry if I came off as anti-DLP. I'm not. (Nor am I filled with anti-European xenophobia) but I was glib and came off rude. It's I who should apologize.

    I'd happily go to DLP if I was going to Europe. As someone who loves a less popular Disney park (DCA) I can understand the feeling that "your park" is being unreasonably attacked by folks who know little or nothing about it. After all defending DCA against folks who seem to "hate it" was what I was doing in this thread in the first place.

    The bit about
    "I still don't even think there should be a DLP but there it is so we might as well have it near par to the rest of the parks, no?" is articulated poorly and comes off as a put-down when what was meant was something else entirely. Your park should be every bit as good as the parks here in the USA or the parks in Japan (I have no idea what Disney China might even be like and couldn't begin to guess) and Disney should work hard to dispell negative opinion of DLP, especially if it's innacurate. And that's what I should have said.

    I'm really sorry if I offended or came off as a lout. It really was not the intention.

    Funny you should mention that DLP is saddled with debt due to too many hotels. I've heard that's part of DCAs problem too. I can say without doubt that I envy DLPs Tomorrowland theme (Really, Disneyland's Tomorrowland is a wreck and a shame to the park) and Animagique looks cool from the video on youtube I saw of it. DLPs Castle looks like it could be the most beautiful in all the Disney Kingdoms.

    Hmmm I maybe talking myself into a trip afterall.

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    Re: DCA jealous of WDSP?

    Thanks, Its great that we've sorted this out.

    Anyway, back to DCA and WDS, I kinda sidetracked everyone.
    Hopefully any large attractions added to a park should boost attendance. DCA shouldn't be jealous of WDS, in fact, since its opening, DCA has got TOT and Flik's Fun Fair already, all that's happening is WDS is getting the equivalent of those and 1 extra coaster.

    Regardless of how few attractions people say they have, WDS is still fun, and DCA doesn't look that bad.

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    Re: DCA jealous of WDSP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorchio
    Thanks, Its great that we've sorted this out.

    Anyway, back to DCA and WDS, I kinda sidetracked everyone.
    Hopefully any large attractions added to a park should boost attendance. DCA shouldn't be jealous of WDS, in fact, since its opening, DCA has got TOT and Flik's Fun Fair already, all that's happening is WDS is getting the equivalent of those and 1 extra coaster.

    Regardless of how few attractions people say they have, WDS is still fun, and DCA doesn't look that bad.
    very true and in fact DCA opend with much more then WDSP to begin with anyways (your also forgetting the additions of Millionare and Monsters Inc and that's still leaving out all the entertainment changes the park has been through)

    this thread seems to be under the assumption that DCA is somehow in as bad a position as WDSP when in fact it really isn't

    WDSP is pretty much the most desperate of all Disney parks and it's great to hear that they're getting these upgrades

    I've seen plenty of pictures and read plenty of reviews and from what I've seen and heard WDSP has plenty of areas that are pretty much just plain old soundstages with walls left completly blanks

    I've heard many a reviewer call DCA increadibly lush and well themed in comparision (heck WDSP even lacks the large body of water charactaristic of all other Disney parks)

    I think alot of people forget that DCA is clearly head and shoulders above most non disney parks

    I actualy don't mind most of DCA's theming and find it to be a fun park I mostly feel that placemaking needs to fix the fact that you can see strait into the entry area and the bushes behind the sun icon don't provide much obstruction for the hotel way behind them which is pretty bad as it gives the impression that you can see all the way to the end of the park.

    Also the fact that Paradise Pier stands up so high it gives people the impression that it's mostly carny which at this point it isn't. This combined with the golden gate bridge basicaly gives you the idea that it's got cheep replicas of California land marks and nothing but carny rides. heck most people don't know about Soarin or even think about ToT. DCA has the best animation building of any Disney park also.

    with a newer entry way you could at least try to cover for things a bit by creating something that would entice people into the park a little better (the postcard thing just doesn't work)

    I didn't care for the plans for Condor flats as in my opinion it wouldn't have made anything better

    though I do think the idea of moving Golden Dreams to the front of the park would be wise as it'd free up space to add another ride further back and it'd put Golden Dreams in a Mr Lincoln type area which is more fitting for both the film and the park (the film highlights the park's basic theme anyways)

    as it stands they'll be placemaking the Pier a bit I hear which is good as it'll tie in with the new ride and a possible Rock N RC overlay to Screamin

    even if it's small like the placemaking in the backlot it's fine by me as the backlot placemaking accomplished exactly what was needed, more vegitation for shade Muppets Facade was made more obvious and a nice fountain was added for a bit more of an active feel which makes the area a bit more alive, the Pier area is one of the areas that could do with alot more shade and places to cool off at (more shade once you hit around the golden dreams area ll the way to Screamin would be great really o_o) adding a few details and fixing up facades for Midway Mania seems like great ideas to me and I hear the new paint scheme on Ariels Grotto area is a test of sorts for new stuff going into the land


    heading back to Paris I think what they're adding is great though I don't feel that the Crush ride will really be an Eticket from what I've seen and the Cars ride is a pretty small addition as well, adding in these things and putting up some more interesting theming will go a long ways to helping htis park

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    Re: DCA jealous of WDSP?

    It's obvious who has never been to WDS.

    If you spent a week at Disneyland Paris, you'd realize that WDS makes DCA took like Tokyo DisneySea!

    As if that weren't bad enough by itself, it sits RIGHT nextdoor (even closer than DCA is to Disneyland) to the most beautiful "Disneyland" ever created. So sad...

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    Re: DCA jealous of WDSP?

    I agree that WDSP needs much more work. It is without a doubt the ugliest theme park I have seen. The work is much more drastic since they have to completely theme areas and fill in holes where as DCA needs some themeing to cover up bland stucko walls and to add details here and there. A lot of other factors play into the placemaking that is taking place in WDSP. The rides have to do with a lot with the financial restructuring. Disneyland Resort in CA isn't in the deep financial woes that Paris is in. They are building all the new rides to make the park more enticing, so at the same time, why not add in all this placemaking to go along with it (especailly if Iger is even eager to see it happen)? DCA had the same mentality, but I guess it was dropped so they could funnel the money into building a better Midway Mania thing. But who knows, perhaps when they start the construction in Paradise Pier (this fall?) we'll see some of these placemaking changes come around since that entire area under Screamin' will be modified. Perhaps instead of the them spending the money on the entrance area, they will put it into the ride and areas around it in Paradise Pier. They may just want to think it out more with DCA since they have more options than with WDSP. Am I rambling?

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