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    Smile Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disney Wrassler
    With todays younger generations, yes I think parks do need thrill rides to survive. Because most people from my generation love to go "Extreme" and have a good thrill on these rides. Gentle rides just cant get our adrenaline going as much as thrill rides do.
    Do you think Walt would agree with you? I don't rememeber him saying: "Disneyland is your land.....good luck."

    There are safer alternatives. Indiana Jones is an excellent example. Mission Space and Rock and Rollercoster seem to be driven by compitition, not Walt's original intention, that is, to create a place where parents and children could play together.

    But thank you for your input.

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatle_johnny
    Lets say for argument sake, California Screaming is safe for 99.2% of 1 million people with no known or undiagnosed problems and those with problems, only .2 of that .8 are at risk. But when millions of people ride a ride -- such as Rock and Rollercoater -- it WILL led to unnessary deaths due to no fault of the rider.
    I hate to sound blase' but.... that's life. You can't prevent EVERY tragedy. I think Disney does a damn good job at preventing accidental deaths. If I had the numbers handy and calculated what percentage of Disney guests have died as a result of ANY accident on property, I'm positive that number would be so low as to be almost statistically insignificant.

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigoon
    There is no way to prepare for or protect against undiagnosed conditions. There are millions of them, all with different needs. You simply cannot create anything that is a catch-all solution for everybody's needs. For example, many people are at risk for Vitamin D deficiencies and should get more sun (especially if they are from darker, more northern areas). Then there are the rare cases of people who can never venture out into the light because it will kill them. How do you create anything appropriate for both? Sure, I'm using extreme examples, but anyone who dies on an amusement park ride due to an undiagnosed condition IS an extreme example. And there's nothing we can do about it. If the ride hadn't killed them, something else would have. Such is the nature of having a condition that is aggravated by something as mundane as a roller coaster, and not knowing about it. Life just sucks like that sometimes.
    When you are getting muitple deaths in a single year, it is no longer extream examples but rather expected causalties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperbole
    I hate to sound blase' but.... that's life. You can't prevent EVERY tragedy. I think Disney does a damn good job at preventing accidental deaths. If I had the numbers handy and calculated what percentage of Disney guests have died as a result of ANY accident on property, I'm positive that number would be so low as to be almost statistically insignificant.
    You may be right, but no one had died on Splash Mountain, no one has died on Indiana Jones.

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist
    Incidentally, did the autopsy report show an aneurysm or some such condition in the Mission: SPACE incident? I didn't follow the story.
    THIS link contains the following information:

    "Daudi Bamuwamye, who died in June, did meet the ride's minimum height limit, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

    An autopsy concluded that the boy succumbed to an irregular heartbeat linked to natural causes. People with the condition - idiopathic myocardial hypertrophy with fibroelastosis of the left ventricle - are at risk for sudden death throughout their lives, especially in physically or emotionally stressful situations, medical examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia wrote."

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatle_johnny
    You may be right, but no one had died on Splash Mountain, no one has died on Indiana Jones.
    No one has died on California Screamin, or the test track either. But someone HAS died from the PeopleMover, MarkTwain, and other "sedate" attractions.

    I understand your desire to protect people, but it makes no sense to not have any thrill rides just on the outside chance that someday someone might get hurt.

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Well rides like Splash & Indy are more controlable and much slower than Rock n' Rollercoaster.

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatle_johnny
    When you are getting muitple deaths in a single year, it is no longer extream examples but rather expected causalties.
    Yes. We're talking about six deaths in the time period since Christmas, 2004. That's bound to make people take notice.

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    HELL NO THEY DONT! What Cedar Point and Six Flags Over Goerga have done with TTD and KDK pisses me off so muhc. Its almost as if they have no interest in human health and only care about having the tallest fastest coaster in the world which I dont think anybody cares about anymore because they are both weak excuses for roller coasters.

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatle_johnny
    You may be right, but no one had died on Splash Mountain, no one has died on Indiana Jones.
    An eldrly woman died, I want to say about Christmas 2004, after riding Pirates of the Caribbean at Magic Kingdom park. That versions only features one drop and it is much smaller than the large drop on Disneyland's. Also, as a_hyperbole stated, people have died on even tamer attractions. That was no assumption I made about the undiagnosed medical conditions. A lot of these people could die playing a friendly game of basketball in their driveway.

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Now that Disney has racked up more total recent deaths than any Six Flags park, the "faster higher rides cause deaths" argument doesn't fly as well.

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Out of curiosity Beatle Johnny, have you ever been to a Disney park?
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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frogberto
    Yes. We're talking about six deaths in the time period since Christmas, 2004. That's bound to make people take notice.
    But what percentage of total guests is that during the same time period?

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperbole
    But what percentage of total guests is that during the same time period?
    If all six of these deaths occured at Disney's Animal Kingdom in 2005 they would account for 0.000073% of all visitors.

    Animal Kingdom has the least number of visitors of the Disney World parks at an estimated 8.2 million with Magic Kingdom pulling in nearly twice that many at 16.2 million. So less than 0.000073% of all guests who attend Walt Disney World in a year will die while there.

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    Re: Does a theme park need dangerous thrill rides?

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O
    That was no assumption I made about the undiagnosed medical conditions. A lot of these people could die playing a friendly game of basketball in their driveway.
    There is no doubt that people do die, doing all types of tame and not so tame stuff. But whether or not that is what caused the death in this case is premature to tell. For all you know, the kid could have had a jawbreaker in his mouth, and ended up choking when the ride started from an obstructed airway, or could have had an allergic reaction to new medication, or could have been struck by something, or...

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