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    Lightbulb Updated "Horizons" Attraction for Tomorrowland

    In early 1999, EPCOT closed the Horizons attraction because many believed that it was outdated. The attraction showed the history of technology and its advances in space, under the sea and in the desert. I would close Innoventions and the Honey I Shrunk movie and build a new Horizons pavillion.
    The new attraction would be based on the old EPCOT one but not the same.
    The attraction would show in the same style and format as the EPCOT attraction..the advances in medicine, technology, space travel, oceanography, agriculture and more. Living on a space station, or an undersea village station could also be shown. The Horizons attraction would allow Tomorrowland to show the future and I think that the attarctions fits into what Walt Disney wanted Tomorrowland to be. Any ideas about this?
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    Not a bad idea at all. I had thought of that before too for my RCT2 Disneyland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotorBoatCruise2005
    Not a bad idea at all. I had thought of that before too for my RCT2 Disneyland.

    What was your idea RCT2 Disneyland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool
    What was your idea RCT2 Disneyland?
    I just used that Innoventions/COP building for Horizons instead of Innoventions. I currently have COP (Carousel of Progress) in there, although it uses the exact same darkride track/vehicles Horizons did in my park.

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    I think Horizons would be a welcome to Tomorrowland. Without Space Mountain and Star Tours, Tomorrowland is lacking....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool
    I would close Innoventions and the Honey I Shrunk movie and build a new Horizons pavillion.
    Innoventions and HISTA arn't next to each other you can't combine them

    you'd want to move rocket reds or combine with rocket reds but you would never be able to combine with HISTA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jspider
    Innoventions and HISTA arn't next to each other you can't combine them

    you'd want to move rocket reds or combine with rocket reds but you would never be able to combine with HISTA

    Yes my mistake. I would close Innoventions, The spirit of refreshment stand and the Pizza port and build the pavillion.

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    Nice idea, but not economically practicle.

    Over the 50 years that Disney company has been running theme parks the biggest lesson they've learned is that Walt's vision of Tomorrowland was an economic black hole. Edutainment based rides simply don't last. And with 8 theme parks, and a 9th opening soon, they can't affor major rework of parks every 10-15 years. They need DL, MK, DLP, Epcot and MGM to be "done" so that they can concentrate funds on building out DAK, DCA, DSP and HKDL.

    Walt's vision of Tomorrowland has been dead for 20 years, killed by economic realities that the concept simply is not workable in a real-world, profit-driven business plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dshimel
    Nice idea, but not economically practicle.

    Over the 50 years that Disney company has been running theme parks the biggest lesson they've learned is that Walt's vision of Tomorrowland was an economic black hole. Edutainment based rides simply don't last. And with 8 theme parks, and a 9th opening soon, they can't affor major rework of parks every 10-15 years. They need DL, MK, DLP, Epcot and MGM to be "done" so that they can concentrate funds on building out DAK, DCA, DSP and HKDL.

    Walt's vision of Tomorrowland has been dead for 20 years, killed by economic realities that the concept simply is not workable in a real-world, profit-driven business plan.

    I think the idea is economical. Part of the problem with Tomorrowland is that it strayed from Walt's vision. Disneyland will never be "done." Then scrap EPCOT entirely since edutainment rides do not last. An Horizons attraction can last if it is done correctly.

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    Good idea

    I think that the future is not dead. In fact, we need more positive views of the future today more than ever!

    I have to say if there might be a problem is not the idea, but the execution. As they say the devil is in the details.

    To make this work, one has to understand what Walt would have done. He would not have put an attraction to have you LEARN about the future. He wanted you to EXPERIENCE it. Understanding this concept is key to understanding the "magic" of Disneyland. You don't learn about paddlewheel boats you ride one. You don't learn about Pirates, you get shot at by one! Walt did not want you to see exhibits of space travel. He wanted to have you personally fly to the moon, and then to Mars. Horizans was a popular place at WDW, but it was not as exciting as some would have liked. The key to this is to put the guest INTO the experience and not just watch it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool
    I think the idea is economical.
    And DisCo totally disagrees, and it is there money.

    Space Mt., Star Tours, HISTA, Rocekt Rods, Chevron cars, Buzz, Nemo subs.... These ideas work because they won't grow stale in 5 years.

    Edutainment does grow old in 5 years.


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool
    Part of the problem with Tomorrowland is that it strayed from Walt's vision. Disneyland will never be "done."
    No. THE problem is Walt's vision that DL will never be done. Sure, they'll always need to refurb and refresh and redo some of the rides and shows.... But Walt's vision of Tomorrowland required a complete rebuild from the ground up ever 10-15 years..... It was a financial disaster.


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool
    Then scrap EPCOT entirely since edutainment rides do not last. An Horizons attraction can last if it is done correctly.
    They are working on scrapping Epcot Future World as quickly as money will allow. Motion = Test Track. Horizon = Mission Space. Land is gettng Soarin'. As money becomes available, they'll continue to rip out the stale edutainmenty stuff and replace it with thrill rides and cartoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dshimel
    And DisCo totally disagrees, and it is there money.

    Space Mt., Star Tours, HISTA, Rocekt Rods, Chevron cars, Buzz, Nemo subs.... These ideas work because they won't grow stale in 5 years.

    Edutainment does grow old in 5 years.



    No. THE problem is Walt's vision that DL will never be done. Sure, they'll always need to refurb and refresh and redo some of the rides and shows.... But Walt's vision of Tomorrowland required a complete rebuild from the ground up ever 10-15 years..... It was a financial disaster.



    They are working on scrapping Epcot Future World as quickly as money will allow. Motion = Test Track. Horizon = Mission Space. Land is gettng Soarin'. As money becomes available, they'll continue to rip out the stale edutainmenty stuff and replace it with thrill rides and cartoons.

    Nemo submarines is not even based on Disney. It is Pixar. The reason the Autopia is still open is because of an underground gas leakage problem that Chervon is taking care and DL is locked into a 10 year contract. HISTA is a stale concept as well as Star Tours. Buzz light-year is just an arcade game that has been made into an attraction.

    I disagree. Tomorrowland does not need to be completely rebuilt. It just needs to be improved.


    Improvements at EPCOT such as the above are welcome but I do not see them getting rid of The Living Seas or Spaceship Earth.

    We just can disagree.

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    Horizons was NOT edutainment. Not even close. It was the essence of what Tomorrowland is supposed to be all about. It was fun, exciting, trippy, adventurous, immersive and excellent in almost every respect.

    It would be the absolute perfect addition to Tomorrowland, a fitting replacement for the vast and useless space that Innoventions takes up, and - with some technological updating to the old Epcot version (most especially in the AA area) - it would be the Pirates of the Caribbean for the east side of the Park.


    It's not uneconomical, it's not impractical, and it's not edutainment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by innerSpaceman
    Horizons was NOT edutainment. Not even close. It was the essence of what Tomorrowland is supposed to be all about. It was fun, exciting, trippy, adventurous, immersive and excellent in almost every respect.
    And yet it survived for only 16 years......



    Quote Originally Posted by innerSpaceman
    It would be the absolute perfect addition to Tomorrowland,
    A big budget attraction with a huge maintenance costs, that grows stale quickly and must be ripped out and repaced within 15-20 years?????

    Sorry, but DisCo is not going to repeat these horrid financial mistakes...

    They're going to find new ways to waste huge amounts of money instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool
    Yes my mistake. I would close Innoventions, The spirit of refreshment stand and the Pizza port and build the pavillion.
    Gosh, Thats an aweful lot of land for one attraction, you could have three cool new things in that space.

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