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    How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    My ideas below apply to the WDW POTC, but this thread was meant for Disneyland Pirates also

    WARNING: some of my nitpicking will probably annoy you

    I think I am in the minority, but I am not very fond of most of the "improvements" made to Pirates of the Caribbean.
    Here's what I would have done for the WDW version, for movie additions, etc. (it takes less thinking than the DL version since it's a shorter ride):

    1. Although the new black mast looks cool, it doesn't really make much sense to me sticking out of the ground next to a Spanish fortress. And I don't like the skeleton on top with the spyglass...I feel all the skeletons, etc. should stay INSIDE the attraction. To me, it's like putting a skeleton or something outside of the Haunted Mansion, sitting on the front lawn for instance. It feels tacky, like something they would do at Six Flags. I would have just kept the marquee for the attraction that was there already. If I had to have the mast though, I'd definitely lose that skeleton.

    2. The movie music playing outside works for me.

    3. Replace "Barker Bird" with Cotton's parrot. Have the guy that voiced him in the movie do the voice. Have similar dialogue to the previous bird, but a little less childish, if possible. Maybe he could mention Jack Sparrow a few times, because in my version of the updated attraction, none of the pirates in the ride would be doing that.

    4. Keep the Spanish guitar music in the queue line inside.

    5. I don't remember if there's some kind of recorded "hands-arms-feet-and-legs-in-the-boat" spiel at WDW, but this would be a good place to use someone from the movie. Probably the voice of Gibbs, Barbossa, or Jack.

    5. No Davy Jones mist projection when you first embark. This will come later. Here in the caves, you hear the "Yo Ho" song like you originally did, followed of course by "dead men tell no tales...."

    6. Beach and skeleton helmsman scenes untouched, except for maybe updating the storm effects if possible. I'd rather not have that new music there either (you know, the slow instrumental version of Yo Ho). To me it worked better with just the Dead Men Tell No Tales voice, the seagull squawking, and the sound of rushing water.

    7. Keep the talking skull above the falls. Don't give him a Jack Sparrow bandana or anything. Have him say "No fear have ye of evil curses says you. Ahhh...properly warned ye be says I" in the original Paul Frees voice, instead of "thar be squalls ahead." This will leave some room for...

    8. ...the Davy Jones projection, which would be in the cave after the boat goes down the waterfall. He appears and says "Now proceed at your own risk. These be the last friendly words you'll hear. You may not survive to pass this way again..." Unfortunately this would mean we wouldn't have the old pirate voice, but at least the dialogue would be intact, and with a cool new effect to go with it. AND NO "Dead men do tell tales." No they don't...

    9. I'd rather not have the movie music in the battle scene, but if it has to go somewhere in the ride, this would have to be the place. Blackbeard--not Barbossa--on the Wicked Wench, with all his original dialogue, and the original dialogue of the fort defenders. Of course, the new cannon effects would be employed. I think it would be nice to have the fighting shadows like at DL. I don't care if they add the Spanish animatronics in the fort or not--it works fine with just their voices.

    10. Original dunking scene untouched except for maybe better animatronics/sound. The same goes for the auction scene. The gunshots in both scenes could use an increase in volume. No Jack Sparrow animatronic here, unless he's just placed among the bidders, "wanting the redhead". Oh, yeah and no costume changes to the characters. The hookhanded pirate should still have his big hat, and various pirates shouldn't have new eyepatches slapped on them--there were already like 3 pirates that have eyepatches.

    11. Original chase scene, with the pirates chasing the women, except of course for the excited rotund woman chasing the creeped-out pirate. No rakes, brooms, or plates of food. The girl, not Jack Sparrow, is in the barrel, and the pooped pirate is talking about her--not a treasure map and not a fine pork loin.

    12. There's plenty of space for characters to be added to the chase scene. Inspired by Marc Davis concept art, we could have Barbossa and the monkey on his shoulder both drinking rum. He could have some dialogue maybe, I don't know what. Since WDW doesn't have a pirate balancing on the unstable barrels (which was one of the references made in the first POTC movie), he could be added to this scene, possibly with the pirates that drink the leaking rum. Since there's a lot of room here, Jack Sparrow could be thrown in somewhere I'm sure. Maybe even on the other side of the scene, before you get to Old Bill and the cats.

    13. Original burning city with improved fire effects.

    14. Jail scene same as it's always been.

    15. Treasury--keep the tied up guys and all the original pirates, except the last one. He could be replaced with Jack Sparrow. It seems appropriate. You could just use the pirate that was previously there as the one that would sit on the barrels in the chase scene. Replace that annoying parrot that sings "a parrot's life for me" in that horrible childish voice with the Barker Bird that used to be outside, complete with his little outfit (pegleg, hat, eyepatch). The only parrot who should sing "parrot's life for me" is the Paul-Frees voiced one in the burning city scene. Have Barker Bird squawk random parroty things. Give Jack Sparrow some of his own dialogue, keep the drunken shooting pirates dialogue also.

    There ya have it. I'd like to hear what others have to say, their ideas, etc.

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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    I would put a Jack Sparrow in the jail cell, since they used it in the movie. Also, it would be cool to try and make it look like skeletons are on the bottom of the water in the battle scene.

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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    I would not have done anything. It was perfect the way it was.

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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    I probably would have done everything the same...except in the scene where "things aren't going to well for the mayor" I would replace the AA mayor with the likeness of paul pressler.
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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacAlert View Post
    I would not have done anything. It was perfect the way it was.
    I agree, but I'm basically saying what would you have done for the rehab that demanded movie elements

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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    Quote Originally Posted by hollywood1939 View Post
    I would put a Jack Sparrow in the jail cell, since they used it in the movie. Also, it would be cool to try and make it look like skeletons are on the bottom of the water in the battle scene.
    Well if Elizabeth Swann is going in next summer, they could replace the dog with her in the cell next to them. POTC 2 reference!

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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    AAs that change from regular pirates to "cursed" skeleton pirates AND a sword fight between barbossa and jack, fighting for the forts treasure. Thats is how i would have done it. Make the Barbossa AA be a littel louder on the wicked wench too. Maybe an AA when u enter the queue and when the boats come back up...you know, where the map that says POTC on it...Think of the Buz Lightyear AA in the queue for BLAB...something like this would make waiting in line cooler and more or less "interactive" and that one last thing for the guests in the boats to enjoy before getting off


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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    most of those complants and things you would changed sound like they are aimed at the WDW version....
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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    I would of put a Davey Jones AA at some pint in the ride. I like the waterfall Davey Jones affect but the AA would look pretty sweet
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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    we need will turner!!

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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    I would also like to see a Davy Jones AA...but that Shi...ahem...STUFF is quite complicated! I dont think our imagineers are there yet, where they can animate thin tenticles and stuff...BUT WHAT AN AA IT WOULD BE IF IT EVER GETS MADE!


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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    Bring back the pirate captain and original dialoge in the dunking scene!
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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    I would have cut back all of the Jack Sparrow's to just the last one - if we absolutely HAVE to have one.

    I mean, what they did isn't bad, but they made the Movies about the attractions - now they are making the attraction around the movie. I'm not into that too much. I think they should put the original pirate on the boat in the canon scene as well.

    I love the movies, but I feel like Pirates of the Caribbean is now "the Jack Sparrow Ride". I can't tell you how often I hear people say to their kids "Let's go see Jack Sparrow".

    Personally, my own opinion of course, but they should not have put the 'movie stuff' in as the update.

    Walt Disney said the park would never be done as long as there Imagination..or something to that affect, but what they did her really didn't take much imagination. Making the movies - THAT was imagination.

    I feel like adding the 'movie stuff' to the attraction almost cheapens it. Dare I say that?

    I'll still ride it, but I liked it better before.

    It's almost like names "The Supremes" and "Diana Ross and The Supremes" - it was "Pirates of the Carribean" and now it's like 'Jack Sparrow and the Pirates of the Carribean".

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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    I agree, and I also think the movie additions cheapen the attraction. However, since they had to add movie stuff, I think the way to do it would be the way I described (at least for the WDW version)...I feel it would blend better together because the additions wouldn't be as major as they currently are. No matter what Kathy Rogers and her team say, they did change and replace a lot of the attraction, which is not the same as "enhancing" it--which is what they claimed to be doing.

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    Re: How would you have done the POTC refurb?

    I love the new version just because it meant that the show elements (lighting and sound) were improved so very much.

    In my perfect pirate ride, the ride would be reversed show-scene-wise. I think it makes a much more exciting journey to break out of the town with the loot, have your dingy covered by the ship as you and your crew escape into the caverns. Once inside the caverns you encounter the cursed crew.

    Now obviously this would have been impossible for the refurb, but maybe for future versions.

    What I do think is odd is the skeletons in the caverns. Are they alive or just skeletons rotting? They all seem to be just skeletons except the drinking pirate who've they have added a laughing soundbyte to. This confuses me further. If they are cursed pirates, make them cool AAs that come to life and scare us. If they are skeletons in a tableau, they can't be doing animated things such as drinking and laughing.

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