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    Exclamation Monsters in California?

    Has anyone noticed that Disney has abandoned the "California Adventure" theme by putting in the Monsters Inc. ride? Unless they are saying California is the land of Monsters? Do you care that the California theme is out the window? Are you happy about it?
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    I think the idea is that you can put any movie-based attraction in the Hollywood Backlot area and get away with staying within the "California" theme. Of course, such a construct purports to put that attraction one-step further away from immersiveness, but people will continue to experience any ride as they will - and immerse themselves to whatever degree the attraction itself generally demands. (For example, is the Star Tours experience at Disney-MGM appreciably different from the one in Tomorrowland?)

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    I think they lost the California theme back in 2001 when they shoved The Main Street Electrical Parade into DCA. They went out of theme again when they introduced Flix's Fun Fair in fall 2002.

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    Well there is only so much you can do with a California theme, no?

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    I noticed Jiminy, and I'm none too pleased. I'm still clinging to the hope that, because the facade looks like it was done on the cheap so far, and that the whole attraction has such a minimal budget, that it is a sign that Disney recognizes that the whole north side is ripe for redevelopment, and didn't want to commit much money to a building that would be bulldozed toward the end of the decade.

    In a way though, I like the MGM Star Tours better because it's more immersive as an experience where guests on a movie set become part of the movie, rather than an experience of a Long Time Ago in Tomorrowland. In fact, I've long wanted to see Star Tours out of Tomorrowland and upgraded to a Star Tours: Episode II, with an immersive Mos Eisley/Espa "set" (complete with Cantina eatery) that would also allow DCA to be a home for Star Wars weekends.

    And of course, with Star Tours upgraded in the Other park, attendance will likely experience slow growth, AND Tomorrowland can get ATIS back
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    Quote Originally Posted by girl anachronism
    Well there is only so much you can do with a California theme, no?
    So, SO much... Geologic prehistory, native american settlements, the Mission period, the Gold Rush, the Wild Wild West, the Victorian resort period, the birth of Hollywood, the age of the Red Cars, the birth of the drive-ins, the rise of Silicon Valley... just to name a few.

    The California theme offers most things that Disneyland offers (Fantasy, Adventure, the Frontier, and Tomorrow) plus a few touches that are unique to this great state.

    The limitation is this insistence on "contemporary," which was so odd for a company that made its bread and butter off of idealized visions of a Golden past.
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    Ah, i'm not too keen on California history. Maybe they figure that you can experience, native american settlements, Wild Wild West. At Frontierland?

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    Monsters Inc is a film. The Monsters Inc attraction is being placed in a film "backlot." If Monsters Inc detracts from the theme, look at Muppet*Vision 3D and tell me that that attraction (which has been there since opening) make the theme work anybetter. It doesn't if Monsters Inc ruins any theme.

    If anything is ruining the theme of California Adventure its "a bugs land"
    An entire land dedicated to animated characters in a park themed after California makes no sense. At least a ride based after animated film characters fits more with the theme of a Hollywood, California movie backlot.

    And besides, I really think DCA needs as much help as it can get, a new ride is a new ride thats utilizing dead space. All we can do is hope that its a good, well-developed utilization of that space and that more of this productivity continues to be poured into DCA as well as Disneyland and the Resort as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girl anachronism
    Ah, i'm not too keen on California history. Maybe they figure that you can experience, native american settlements, Wild Wild West. At Frontierland?
    Hmmm... I haven't been able to set foot in a Native American settlement in Frontierland in ages.

    For that matter, the West is a BIG territory, and while Frontierland may cover a small part of that, it doesn't cover Sutter's Mill, the Barbary Coast, Zorro's Monterey, and all manner of other things. The Disney folks are really only limited by their imagination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ModHatter
    Hmmm... I haven't been able to set foot in a Native American settlement in Frontierland in ages.

    For that matter, the West is a BIG territory, and while Frontierland may cover a small part of that, it doesn't cover Sutter's Mill, the Barbary Coast, Zorro's Monterey, and all manner of other things. The Disney folks are really only limited by their imagination.
    Wow, i read your post and out of no where the words "ZORRO ATTRACTION" flashed over and over in my head. Though i just don't know how, where, what kind, or anything. But...Zorro! That'd be cool! He fits right in with California. And it would be an Adventure

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    yes I hate a bugs land as well sad thing is if they'd built it INDOORS the way the Mermaid land is in TDS is it would've made it fit better thematicaly (and A bugs Land is infact a clone of that mermaid area)

    for more talk on how the farm SHOULD be done I created this thread
    http://www.micechat.com/showthread.php?t=1041

    anywho I myself am hoping the monsters give some sort of justification for being in the backlot

    or perhaps that this new themeing Jim of Hill is talking about comes to pass and helps explain it more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pizzapants
    Wow, i read your post and out of no where the words "ZORRO ATTRACTION" flashed over and over in my head. Though i just don't know how, where, what kind, or anything. But...Zorro! That'd be cool! He fits right in with California. And it would be an Adventure
    Well, I'm too lazy to bring up one of my old posts, so here's a recap of one idea I had.

    Long story short, it would use the now-defunct Soap Box Racers concept, reImagineered as a posse on a comical chase after Zorro. Over rocks, under tree branches, through a creek... You chase him into a box canyon, only to see that familiar silhouette of Zorro on his horse, waving to you from atop the canyon before riding off into the sunset.

    I sort of imagine Old Monterey starting where the Golden Dreams area now is, and going counterclockwise we get the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk near the turn of the century, and then on to SF leading into where the Timon lot expansion will go.
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    Now a Zorro attraction would be cool, but let us be reminded that Disney only want's to market whats popular now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girl anachronism
    Now a Zorro attraction would be cool, but let us be reminded that Disney only want's to market whats popular now.
    Well, the last Zorro picture didn't come out that long ago, and the Zeta-Jones signed up for an upcoming sequel.

    Besides, if the 50th has taught us anything, it's that the audience doesn't necessarily want what's popular now. If anything, Disney should realize that what's popular when you Imagineer a ride probably won't be popular by the time it can actually be built, and it'll have a very short shelflife.

    Disney needs to stay away from the distinctly contemporary and aim for something timeless, something classic. And DCA in particular needs its Everest.

    (And no, not a clone! It's OWN groudbreaking, spectacular family E ticket.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ModHatter
    Well, the last Zorro picture didn't come out that long ago, and the Zeta-Jones signed up for an upcoming sequel.

    Besides, if the 50th has taught us anything, it's that the audience doesn't necessarily want what's popular now. If anything, Disney should realize that what's popular when you Imagineer a ride probably won't be popular by the time it can actually be built, and it'll have a very short shelflife.

    Disney needs to stay away from the distinctly contemporary and aim for something timeless, something classic. And DCA in particular needs its Everest.

    (And no, not a clone! It's OWN groudbreaking, spectacular family E ticket.)
    I dunno I think there's a difference between types of modern popularity

    Disney should stay out of things that are fads (Millionare is never going to be the next jepordy or wheel of fortune and of course Hollywood stars are always changing)

    but I also don't think they need to go super retro either

    I'm not a Zorro fan and I have mixed feelings on how people would react to a ride about him or how the ride would focas on you and not Zorro (in Indy your the star having the adventure Indy's the dweeb that gets crushed by the boulder, Indy becomes secondary to you)

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