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    Question Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    I have always dreamed of Disney buying out the majority of the land/hotels and businesses in Anaheim and expanding to bigger and better things. However, this would potentially put it up on the judgement block by other hotel owners as being a monopolizer. What do you guys think?

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    Just how much of a "majority" of Anaheim are you talking about? It's a fairly decent sized city now. Would you leave Anaheim Hills out of it?
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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radiobarry View Post
    Just how much of a "majority" of Anaheim are you talking about? It's a fairly decent sized city now. Would you leave Anaheim Hills out of it?
    LOL! I guess I wasn't very clear. I would just like to see them buy out the surrounding hotels and maybe the shopping center area off of Katella that has "Hometown Buffet" and stuff. I know there's lots of housing, but I'm sure they could build around it.

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    On the face of it, that seems like a huge expense and a lot of land.

    Maybe that's for somewhere down the road.

    Don't mean to throw cold water on big dreams, but I think for right now they need to concentrate on improving certain parts of the resort they already own, and then think about expansion.

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    As a Disney fan, I'd be all for the expansion of the DLR and emcompassing of the surrounding hotels. It would even be nice to see Disney simply sponsor a 'Imagineer' of the surrounding hotels to engender more of the Good Neighbour sentiment, and give a unified feel to the area.

    However, as a liberal-minded anti-corporate lefty from way back, I'm totally against the monopolization of anything by a corporate entity. Now, we all love Disney and their products, but on general principle, it is murky water when a company owns and controls a large portion of anything, especially when we are talking about hotels and businesses surrounding one of their biggest enterprises. It would be great for business and their park endeavours, but when a company essentially becomes a city unto itself, then they become less accountable to outside forces such as laws and popular accountability.
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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    Loomis, Disney has more or less governed their own land at WDW for years (they even have approval to run their own airport or nuclear reactor if they wanted to) without any real problems and no scandal.

    Disneyland pretty much has the city in it's pocket right now anyway. Even so, buying vast parcels of land is pretty much impossible. Not only because they wouldn't be using the same phony company name tactic they did when buying WDW, but also because taxes in California are at outrageous levels and if they did build something, could they staff it at this point?

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    I don't know about ALL of Anaheim, but I do think it'd make extreme sense and give Disney plenty of room if they were to purchase hundreds of acres of land around the Resort, either various parcels west/southwest of the 5 Freeway or even all the land around the Resort up to, say, a 3 to 5 mile radius (not including the freeway, of course). Granted, these land purchases would have to be done over time, and they will be extremely expensive, but eventually Disney would recoup its investment back tenfold, even a hundredfold.

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    Disney should take over the world. *maniacal laughter*

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    I think it could be extremely beneficial to Disney to do so, but I don't it happening soon, if ever. The fact that I don't believe Disney has enough money to do it is why. The land costs are extremely expensive, and the idea of buying land as far as the eye can see around Disneyland would be outrageous in prices, and also change the actual name Disneyland. It would have to be changed to Disneyworldworld, expecially if it was larger than the current Disneyworld. I personally am against it, because, as others have said, would rather see the money go to things which actually need to be repaired and fixed, instead of expanding and creating more need for repair.

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    Quote Originally Posted by dubeskin View Post
    I think it could be extremely beneficial to Disney to do so, but I don't it happening soon, if ever. The fact that I don't believe Disney has enough money to do it is why. The land costs are extremely expensive, and the idea of buying land as far as the eye can see around Disneyland would be outrageous in prices, and also change the actual name Disneyland. It would have to be changed to Disneyworldworld, expecially if it was larger than the current Disneyworld. I personally am against it, because, as others have said, would rather see the money go to things which actually need to be repaired and fixed, instead of expanding and creating more need for repair.
    They wouldn't necessarily have to buy "land as far as the eye can see around Disneyland," just a number of properties surrounding the Park that they don't already own. Obviously they could still charge rents to various existing businesses or new businesses if they wanted to allow other businesses to continue operating, but at the same time it would enable the company to have more cohesiveness with their various Imagineering ideas for the Park. They wouldn't necessarily need to expand Disneyland itself, or install another theme park. They could, however, provide more hotel lodging and shopping and other entertainment and dining options, or even some relaxing open nature park space for area residents as well as Resort Guests to enjoy for free. Disney owning the surrounding land is the primary thing. Yes, in many respects, this is something that probably should have been done back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, before land prices skyrocketed, but Disney, as a company, is making PLENTY of money every year and could afford to broker a deal that would provide it with additional acreage.

    One solution; sell off ABC/ESPN. Those alone would provide the company with enough cash to easily purchase much of the surrounding land in one fell swoop.

    It's always amazing how quickly people are to pooh-pooh an idea or talk about how it can't be done. Walt Disney himself said, "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" and "If you can dream it, you can do it." Not only that, but we're not necessarily talking short-term here; nobody has said that Disney should purchase the surrounding land at the expense of improving the parts of Disneyland that desperately need improvement right now. Of course the Park needs not only its regular upkeep but a solid infusion of investment in many long-neglected areas. But long term, Disney could also invest in some of the surrounding land, in order to better allow it more creative breathing room.

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    Um.... I thought it was pretty well known by now but they bought up most of all the land surrounding the park. All the hotels etc land is owned by Disney and they make a conciderable about of $$ from the rents. The only thing they weren't allowed to buy is that little strawberry farm - the guy just will not sell. There have been a ton of people saying that if they build that waterpark and expand the monorail etc they may be able to force him out using eminent domain but what a PR nightmare that would be for them. I personally love that guy even though i'm a huge fan of Disney.

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    Uhhh, can we please work on fixing up what's already there (namely DCA and various parts of Disneyland) before gobbling up all this other land? Disney already has a great deal more control over the hotels and surrounding area than it did ten years ago.

    I know Walt was a lot about dreaming. But he was also a practical man who liked making a profit. I think even he would take a look at what's going on right now and come to a similar conclusion.

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    Disneyland owns the land my house is on, I hope they never force me to move.

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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    They actually did try this during the expansion. The original plan was to basically buy all of what's now the "Anaheim Resort District" and do what was done in Florida. But, as Harvey Korman said in "Blazing Saddles," "There's only one thing standing between me and that property: the rightful owners."

    Walt wanted to buy what he called "the periphery property," but he was lucky to get the park financed. (Remember, it all came out of his own pocket. DL was not owned by the Disney corporation at first.) By the time the company had enough money to buy all the land it wanted in Anaheim, all of it had been bought already. Most of the hotels that are there were built just after DL opened. The only reason the Florida deal was so easy was that there were no other owners to deal w/.

    When the plans for the resort expansion came in the late 90's, many of the local landowners were very content, TYVM, and didn't want to sell to Disney. So the mouse got in bed with the city and created the Resort District as a compromise.

    On a personal note, I'm no anti-corporate lefty, but I miss the old periphery property in all its tackiness. I'd have been happy w/ them kicking out the pimps and the pushers and refurbishing the hotels, but I could've done w/o the unified signage and all that. It reminds me of a gated community and gated communities remind me of Stepford...
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    Re: Disney - Potential Monopolizer?

    What Disney should do is close off all outside entrances and try to limit drop offs and shuttles from nearby hotels, while at the same time building more hotels within their current property holdings. This will all combine to make the surround hotels less desirable and less profitable, until they are begging Disney to buy them up cheap. Disney should also start under cutting that silly convention center across the way until they too go under. Soon Disney will own all of Anaheim and then, and only then, would they be able to build the world's shortest ride with the world's biggest exit store!

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