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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyDude2006 View Post
    I disagree that johnny is always "johnny." He is the most versitile actor I believe I've ever seen. he never has played the same character twice!
    So who was Captain Jack Sparrow in the second film? Or was it Jack's twin brother?

    I get what you are trying to say, but Johnny Depp is a leading man type with femenine features, features which are easier to construct. Depp also under-reacts facially almost to the point of a modern day Buster Keaton, making his facial expression easier to match. The two performances that stand out as Depp using his face to great extent are Ed Wood and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, performances which both were greeted with suprise due to Depp's sublte acting style. On the other hand, Rush is a character actor who changes his face for the desired role and almost over-acts facially, which works with his roles as usually he is some sort of larger-than-life eccentric.

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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    I didn't mean sequels, duh the person is gonna be the same if it's a sequel.
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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyDude2006 View Post
    I disagree that johnny is always "johnny." He is the most versitile actor I believe I've ever seen. he never has played the same character twice!
    DD2006, I agree with you completely. Johnny is the most adept chameleon actor in the business today. As most definitive proof,
    look at Before Night falls where Johnny plays both BonBon and Lt Victor:




    Of course, Johnny has had several other "looks", consider
    Edward Scissorhands, Willie Wonka, Secret Window, etc
    his characters, each take on a life of there own.

    The Barbossa Audio Animatronic in DL doesn't looks like
    Barbossa, and the Main Problem is the coloring on the face,

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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    I just wish they could've secured the rights for the Black Pearl! Barbossa in that big red ship just doesn't do it for me!
    Is this haunted room actually stretching? Or is it the four beers you had at DCA, hmmm?








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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by Jables View Post
    I just wish they could've secured the rights for the Black Pearl! Barbossa in that big red ship just doesn't do it for me!
    How could Disney NOT have the rights to the look of the Black Pearl?
    Of course they have the rights to the Black Pearl, I think they just
    had to cut some costs in the makeover and they decided to cut the
    Black Pearl makeover this time around ~ but there is always this Spring
    when another makeover is anticipated!

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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Geoffrey Rush & Johnny Depp are both very talented actors, each with many memorable performances. That being said, there really isn't any reason to get into a battle about "this actor is better than this actor".

    As for the main topic, I've haven't been fortunate enough to see the new AA's in person, only thru film. Like I stated above, it (appears) to be a challenge for WDI to create AA's modeled after real celebrities.
    Is it possible that the imagineers focused their efforts on the J.D. AA's due to their location to the guests? Possibly WDI originally planned to have the Barbossa AA in a different location, and, later after the skin had been sculpted, they changed its position.
    Of course this all begs the question, if the imagineers can create all the presidents of the U.S. to appear life-like, you would think they could create one AA of an actor, wouldn't you?
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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by ganggreen4jc View Post
    Apparently, "pitiful" is in the eye of the beholder, because I have absolutely no issues with the "Barbossa" AA whatsoever. I think the folks at WDI did a fine job on both new AA's.
    Me too...they could have made him a little bigger, stuff a pillow underneath the clothes? But other than that, I thought it looked good.

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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by horizonsfan92 View Post
    As for the main topic, I've haven't been fortunate enough to see the new AA's in person, only thru film. Like I stated above, it (appears) to be a challenge for WDI to create AA's modeled after real celebrities.
    Is it possible that the imagineers focused their efforts on the J.D. AA's due to their location to the guests? Possibly WDI originally planned to have the Barbossa AA in a different location, and, later after the skin had been sculpted, they changed its position.
    Of course this all begs the question, if the imagineers can create all the presidents of the U.S. to appear life-like, you would think they could create one AA of an actor, wouldn't you?
    Disney really hasn't done that good a job modeling the presidents either.
    None of them really look that lifelike. Everytime we get a new president,
    I'm looking forward to their addition in the Hall of Presidents, but none "live" up to my expectations.

    The Captain Jack Sparrow Audio Animatronic is the Most realistic out of all of them. Barbossa, on the other hand, is awful. The skin color, and variation Doesn't match at all. heck the cartoony versions of celebrities in Superstar Limo were almost better than Barbossa! tee hee hee

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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Let's also keep in mind that the jack sparrow AA's everyone goes on about for how lifelike they are all have deadpan faces, and yet when he starts moving and singing at the end people keep saying how horrible it looks. So it's not surprising to me that with the only AA of barbossa being a moving talking one that people are saying the same thing about it. I still find both the final jack AA and the barbossa AA to be pretty darn good though.

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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Does the Barbossa in Walt Disney World look the same as the one in Disneyland?

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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Barbossa's movement is fine, it's his face that isn't done well.

    The moving and talking of Jack are fine at all three locations,
    The only odd thing about the last location is that you are
    viewing it from below and looking almost straight up at it.

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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by Aladdin View Post
    How could Disney NOT have the rights to the look of the Black Pearl?
    Of course they have the rights to the Black Pearl, I think they just
    had to cut some costs in the makeover and they decided to cut the
    Black Pearl makeover this time around ~ but there is always this Spring
    when another makeover is anticipated!
    I had read that Jerry Bruckheimer was the reason they didn't convert it to the Black Pearl.
    Is this haunted room actually stretching? Or is it the four beers you had at DCA, hmmm?








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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by almandot View Post
    Let's also keep in mind that the jack sparrow AA's everyone goes on about for how lifelike they are all have deadpan faces, and yet when he starts moving and singing at the end people keep saying how horrible it looks. So it's not surprising to me that with the only AA of barbossa being a moving talking one that people are saying the same thing about it. I still find both the final jack AA and the barbossa AA to be pretty darn good though.
    I believe the reason the last Jack AA looks bad is simply because your viewing it up close.
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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyDude2006 View Post
    I believe the reason the last Jack AA looks bad is simply because your viewing it up close.
    I believe that too. Not too mention, he's also moving a lot more than the other two Jack AA's.

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    Re: POTC Rush likeness debate proved on POTC 2 DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by horizonsfan92 View Post
    Geoffrey Rush & Johnny Depp are both very talented actors, each with many memorable performances. That being said, there really isn't any reason to get into a battle about "this actor is better than this actor".
    I don't believe anyone is argueing one better than the other, we are simply saying they are different types as well as different acting styles. Depp has femenine features and uses deadpan experessions wheras Rush has a character face and acts with over-exageration facially. Obviously, it will be much easier to create a pretty-looking deadpan AA vs an imperfect AA face that must match the facial exagerations of the human actor. This is not to say one is better than the other, just that one translates to AAs.

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