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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Professortango View Post
    I agree with your point. Plussing is very important to keep the park fresh and new feeling, but I think no matter how much money they threw at the treehouse, most of it would go unnoticed just because nobody had interest in the attraction anymore. It would be spending a bunch of money to fix up the Tiki Room bathrooms. Yes, improvements are nice, but still a waste of money considering it won't affect most guests or add appeal.

    You're right in a sense, but not always the case. I remember a time when Pirates of the Caribbean was always a packed queue... and then somewhere along the way it became a ride that you could literally walk onto all the time. Then came the PC upgrades, sound upgrades, so on so forth and it's as popular as it ever was again.

    The treehouse... yah, I wonder what it would take for that attraction to recieve the breath of new life. Though I'm sure they could have spent a lot less to fix it up than to do it all over. Did the treehouse really affect the guest count by that much?

    In the long run... it does nothing to the overall guest experience.


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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

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    I imagine fixing up the tree would have cost far less than what they did to it. I think they need to actually go into the park and learn how the attractions interact with each other and their land, rather than just look at the turnstyle exit numbers. Seeing the water wheel carry water up to the top of the tree didn't require actually going up in the tree was quite fun to watch, just like watching the Mark Twain circle the Rivers of America adds something to your experience in Frontierland. The Tarzan tree house doesn't seem any more popular and it's a whole lot less interesting.
    Very true. The first thing I noticed was the lack of the water works as well as the bottleneck of people.

    My point is that I don't know what they could have done to the original attraction to get guests into it. I doubt they could ever do something with the treehouse to satisfy most adults. It is essentially a que line up and down stairs with room for a few scenes to look in upon. They could theme it to the Swiss Family Robinsons, Tarzan, Indiana Jones, or the newest Pixar film; nevertheless I doubt I would repeat visits there.

    And it is a tad more busy now. My mom went there with a school trip and her kids all ran through it and had some fun with the interactive elements at the bottom. And the reason they wanted to check it out was because of Tarzan and that stupid bridge.

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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    Shouldn't it be about time for a major refurb? Tarzan opened in what - - 1999? Way past the standard five-year-amortization-plan mark anyway. When they refurb the Treehouse it should be changed back to Swiss Family Robinson without a doubt, since the money will have to spent anyway just for maintenence (and that SFR remake is coming down the pike).

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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    I prefer Swiss family Robinson. It could be because that's what I remember as a kid and I use always love going to the Swiss Family tree house.

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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

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    I prefer Swiss family Robinson. It could be because that's what I remember as a kid and I use always love going to the Swiss Family tree house.

    Yup... even for no reason at all. It was there and there's no line. We'd just go "let's just walk through it" and we would. Good times.


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    I was surprised at how "wrong" they got it with the Trazan refurb. I understand they were trying to appeal to the newer generation (and their unfamiliarity with SFR in general).

    They should refurb it again & retheme it with proper Tarzan references etc. The SWR theme worked for my generation, but unless they either remake the film (or TV show) the kids today might not "get it".

    If it were me & I had Disney's money, I'd get the rights to "Pippi Longstocking" and retheme the treehouse as her's. They could have "Old Man", Mr. Nelson, Tommy & Anika et all. He-He! It would be fabulous!

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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrerRabit77 View Post
    I prefer Swiss family Robinson. It could be because that's what I remember as a kid and I use always love going to the Swiss Family tree house.
    Your not a kid anymore and the new kid generation wants Tarzan.


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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lore View Post
    The Tarzan tree house doesn't seem any more popular and it's a whole lot less interesting.
    Doesn't seem more popular? Are you kidding - that place is always packed.
    I like watching the kids jump up and down on the suspension bridge or get freightened by the jaguar. The new treehouse is clean - fresh - and much more relevent today.

    Sometimes I do miss the old treehouse. I think the waterwheel was awesome. The swisskapolka was nice - but it still plays in the new treehouse. Overall I'm just glad they were able to come up with a way to keep the treehouse there instead of turning it into a giant hot dog stand.

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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    I prefer the SWISS FAMILY ROBINSON TREEHOUSE........by far.

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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    Another case of taking down something fantastic, and putting in a cheap knock-off.

    Instead of ripping it apart for Tarzan, they could have made another Swiss Family Robinson film for the new generation of fans, perked it up a bit, and re-introduced the treehouse. The magnificent attention to detail, was always worth the long climb to the top. Its all gone now, and plastic crap stands in its place.
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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    Quote Originally Posted by travelmom View Post
    Another case of taking down something fantastic, and putting in a cheap knock-off.

    Instead of ripping it apart for Tarzan, they could have made another Swiss Family Robinson film for the new generation of fans, perked it up a bit, and re-introduced the treehouse. The magnificent attention to detail, was always worth the long climb to the top. Its all gone now, and plastic crap stands in its place.
    Or better yet - RE-RELEASE the original movie with Dorothy McGuire, John Mills, James MacArthur, Tommy Kirk, Kevin Corcoran and Janet Munro. But no......they just forget what was and leave it. Why not have had a big "40th or 45th Anniversary of the Movie" and have a big DVD Release and re-open the Swiss Family Treehouse!? There are still several of the stars of that movie alive that could be asked to join in the 're-dedication'.

    But, that is probably too much 'imagination' for the 'big wigs'.

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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    All this talk about "relevance!" The Swiss Family Treehouse was relevant in the 1960s, and Tarzan's relevant today! Pirates are relvant today, but Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn aren't! Tomorrow, who knows! Better plan ahead, or the whole place may become "irrelevant!"

    Laughable! Methinks too many people read too closely the Disney PR talking points.

    As a kid, I loved both the Swiss Family Treehouse and Tom Sawyer Island. "Relevance?" To my 7-year-old brain, the only relevance I knew were my Aunts, Uncles and cousins.

    I never saw the Swiss Family movie (still haven't seen it!). Never read the book. Didn't read Tom Sawyer until I was 13, and Huck Finn, like most, when I was 16. I didn't care one whit who Johann Wyss was. Mark Twain? He was the guy they named a riverboat after.

    Kids don't know or care who occupies the treehouse. They just want to run and climb and play in a house where they could imagine they could live! That was easily done with the Swiss Family Treehouse, even if never having seen the movie. Every detail was thought through. Running water? Sure, just pipe it in with halved bamboo and drain it into clamshell basins. Use the ship's hardware to construct the rooms of the house. Keep the cannon below for defense. It was all there--everything!

    Well, maybe not everything.

    There was no one home. The entire Swiss Family was gone! Think, for a moment, how this plays on the imagination, suggests to it, hints to it; and how what's there now does nothing more than permit one's imagination to shut down while the story is spoon-fed to us.

    In other words, the original Swiss Family Treehouse, empty of life but long on suggestive details, really allowed one to seamlessly slip into the "role" of Swiss Family Member. Our imaginations were allowed, nay encouraged, to play amongst the banyan leaves and massive tree limbs in a treehouse that was both concretely real, and a plaything of the imagination. This, truly was the dream treehouse of all childhood.

    Today, plastic cartoon characters tell us, subconsciously and super-liminally, how we are to experiences this story. No longer are we participants in a great adventure. We're spectators, wondering how a leopard can be so shiny, or questoning the seemingly advanced technology that allows us to see what Jane is drawing. Instead of being participants in a drama and adventure of the mind, were are once again placed beyond the fourth wall, content to let others tell us exacly how we are to experience the story.

    Of course, I realize all of this will be lost on our younger readers (themselves yet to read Wyss--or Burrows, or Twain, I surmise). I am content to let others think of me very much the same way Twain ended one of his greatest short stories, "The War Prayer":

    "It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said."

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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    I still want to know how Tarzan is more relevant to today then the Swiss Family is. From a 'silver screen standpoint' I have seen Swiss Family Robinson many many times - and I have only seen Tarzan less than once - in that I only caught the tail end of it.

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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

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    Today, plastic cartoon characters tell us, subconsciously and super-liminally, how we are to experiences this story. No longer are we participants in a great adventure. We're spectators, wondering how a leopard can be so shiny, or questoning the seemingly advanced technology that allows us to see what Jane is drawing. Instead of being participants in a drama and adventure of the mind, were are once again placed beyond the fourth wall, content to let others tell us exacly how we are to experience the story.
    I have to agree with most of what you say, except for this part. If this is the case, then they could really make rides cheaply. Just tear all of the AA's out and let us imagine rides like POTC or IASW. I don't see what the difference is between this and what is in the current or prior Treehouses...

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    Re: Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse Or Tarzan?

    Folks are relying far too heavly on the concept of "relevance."

    As if steam trains are "relevant" today.

    As if horse-drawn streetcars are "relevant" today.

    As if carousels are "relevant" today.

    As if tiny automobiles are "relevant" today.

    Maybe--just maybe--Walt and the boys (and girls) got it right the first time: Relevance means nothing, if presented in a cheap, low-quality manner. Certainly the Pooh ride bears this out. Has Pooh somehow become "irrelevant?"

    Why must we continue trying to re-invent the wheel? To any thinking person, the Tarzan Treehouse was a vision of commercialisim and anti-imagination trumping classic litereature, adventure and mystery. Game over.

    As the father of two boys, it's easy to see that threehouses--the idea of living so close to nature (actually living IN nature!), is archetypal, perhaps tickling at our deepest, darkest primordial human memories. This, my friends, is powerful stuff--as powerful as the imagination can be. Kids can have as much fun in a treehouse built 5 feet off the ground made of a single piece of plywood, as they could in 5 Tarzan treehouses.

    It doesn't matter who built the treehouse or who lives there--Tarzan or the Swiss Family or my next door neighbor. What matters most, here, is the execution of the idea, and for all intents and purposes, the Tarzan Treehouse concept is a failure of imagination--and a failure to the imagination...
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