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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    I am objectively criticizing any conception of The Magic Kingdom that has New Orleans Square and Critter Country as being independent of the realm of Frontierland.

    Even apart from any discussion of original design intent, the narrow definition of Frontierland and the irrelevance it has to New Orleans Square and Critter Country, as suggested by some of the participants to this discussion, are creative weaknesses. Dramatic and thematic unities are essential, and the quintessence of the realms that radiate like the four cardinal points of the compass from Central Plaza imbues The Magic Kingdom with its most fundamental artistic merit.

    I've grown disgusted with MiceChat over the course of this discussion. I would never have expected such a defense of the changes made to New Orleans Square and Critter Country by Eisner, Pressler, and Harriss, and I, likewise, cannot believe anyone is satisfied with these parts of Disneyland as they continue to be perverted and bastardized under the stewardship of Rasulo, Fitzgerald, and Hamburger. But, if such modifications are what some people want, then so be it.

    With the "new and improved" New Orleans Square, Ralph Brennan's Jazz Kitchen, and the House of Blues, who needs to visit the real New Orleans? Disney's Louisiana Adventure is just so much better.

    A few days ago, Steve DeGaetano used the analogy of frogs frolicking in temperate water without realizing that it is growing ever warmer. The water has been too hot for me for a while now. And, I left it a few months ago. So, the rest of you frogs can have your children's toys in Tomorrowland and your Jerry Bruckheimer pirates on Tom Sawyer's Island and your Christopher Robin nursery toys in Critter Country. I'll be spending my leisure time and my entertainment dollars on more worthwhile activities that actually have: meaning; integrity; quality; intelligence; and, imagination.
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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    Wow ... just ... Wow. Wasn't aware that having a discussion about Disneyland of all places would be frowned upon because it doesn't have meaning, integrity, quality, intelligence and imagination.


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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    I've grown disgusted with MiceChat over the course of this discussion.
    I dunno, Prag--I would've thought you, most of all, would be accustomed to the nature of these boards. Disagreement is the predictable by-product of this type of exchange of opinions.
    We all have specific ideas regarding what Disneyland should or shouldn't be--most are as passionate about those ideas as you are. Being upset about changes to a place you love is certainly understandable, but being upset at others for not feeling upset also about said changes doesn't seem reasonable to me. I doubt there is anyone on this board who feels about Disneyland the exact same way I myself feel. This does not, to me, negate MiceChat's relevance or worth.
    In either case; go or stay; agree or disagree, I have enjoyed your posts.
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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    I am objectively criticizing any conception of The Magic Kingdom that has New Orleans Square and Critter Country as being independent of the realm of Frontierland.

    Even apart from any discussion of original design intent, the narrow definition of Frontierland and the irrelevance it has to New Orleans Square and Critter Country, as suggested by some of the participants to this discussion, are creative weaknesses. Dramatic and thematic unities are essential, and the quintessence of the realms that radiate like the four cardinal points of the compass from Central Plaza imbues The Magic Kingdom with its most fundamental artistic merit.

    I've grown disgusted with MiceChat over the course of this discussion. I would never have expected such a defense of the changes made to New Orleans Square and Critter Country by Eisner, Pressler, and Harriss, and I, likewise, cannot believe anyone is satisfied with these parts of Disneyland as they continue to be perverted and bastardized under the stewardship of Rasulo, Fitzgerald, and Hamburger. But, if such modifications are what some people want, then so be it.

    With the "new and improved" New Orleans Square, Ralph Brennan's Jazz Kitchen, and the House of Blues, who needs to visit the real New Orleans? Disney's Louisiana Adventure is just so much better.

    A few days ago, Steve DeGaetano used the analogy of frogs frolicking in temperate water without realizing that it is growing ever warmer. The water has been too hot for me for a while now. And, I left it a few months ago. So, the rest of you frogs can have your children's toys in Tomorrowland and your Jerry Bruckheimer pirates on Tom Sawyer's Island and your Christopher Robin nursery toys in Critter Country. I'll be spending my leisure time and my entertainment dollars on more worthwhile activities that actually have: meaning; integrity; quality; intelligence; and, imagination.
    I could explain the fierce arguments against your comments and the general disagreement from many with what you are saying by simply saying that maybe your percieved narrow-mindedness and refusal to accept and take into account what other posters are saying is just making other people more stubborn and determined to argue with you.

    I have noticed that no matter how many excellent points and staring-you-in-the-face-blatantly-obvious facts have been stated towards you, you refuse to be influenced by them. I dunno. I'm only 16.

    I can't wait to visit Disney's Louisiana Adventure btw.
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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    I have a very good question.
    If they are to be with Frontierland, why are they seperated on the park maps?

    If you go by the rules you decided on, then Innoventions in TL should be it's own subsection. Oh, and the Rivers of America should also be it's own subsection, not listed under Frontierland. Oh yeah, Jungle Cruise is big enough, it should be it's own subsection of Adventureland.

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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    I agree that Critter Country is really Frontierland, Part II plus Pooh.

    But it was Bear Country before I was born and when I was little, that's what I grew up with.

    The "lands of the Rivers of America" are cohesively tied together by the river (am I quoting "Mystic River"???) that flows between them.

    But I have always felt New Orleans Square was THE MOST distinctive of the 8 lands of Disneyland. It's always been my favorite area in the Rivers of America section of Disneyland.

    Pragmatic, please step back from the ledge, we love you, man!

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    Cool Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    Does anyone have any thoughts about the prospect of the frog princess finding a home in the New Orleans Square area of Frontierland?
    I think the answer to your question, is there are a lot of us who feel strongly that she should be welcomed with open arms, and others who are in the preservationist camp that would like to see this historic national landmark preserved (I don't think it's been officially declared as such, but I'll call it that.)

    I would like to see the Antique shop come back, and wouldn't want to see the modern looking NOS musicians, but I'm not resistant to change overall, I think in some cases the changes will be good for Disneyland. I think NOS can be 1860s, Pirates and Frog Princess all at the same time. Mansion and POTC have been balancing each other for 40 years now. They have nothing to do with each other. They're not even in the same land in any other park, because it's a strange marriage of AA masterpieces in one place.

    I think you thought everybody would say, "NO, no more new characters in the parks." I think that is madness. That's not what the parks are meant to be, Walt Disney constantly synergized new movies into Disneyland, it was a great way to show off their features to the public. I mean they're preaching to the choir to a big extent.

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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    I think that it would be okay if the Frog Princess found a home in New Orleans Square...the story, from what I've seen, takes place in New Orleans.

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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    I am objectively criticizing any conception of The Magic Kingdom that has New Orleans Square and Critter Country as being independent of the realm of Frontierland.

    Even apart from any discussion of original design intent, the narrow definition of Frontierland and the irrelevance it has to New Orleans Square and Critter Country, as suggested by some of the participants to this discussion, are creative weaknesses. Dramatic and thematic unities are essential, and the quintessence of the realms that radiate like the four cardinal points of the compass from Central Plaza imbues The Magic Kingdom with its most fundamental artistic merit.

    I've grown disgusted with MiceChat over the course of this discussion. I would never have expected such a defense of the changes made to New Orleans Square and Critter Country by Eisner, Pressler, and Harriss, and I, likewise, cannot believe anyone is satisfied with these parts of Disneyland as they continue to be perverted and bastardized under the stewardship of Rasulo, Fitzgerald, and Hamburger. But, if such modifications are what some people want, then so be it.

    With the "new and improved" New Orleans Square, Ralph Brennan's Jazz Kitchen, and the House of Blues, who needs to visit the real New Orleans? Disney's Louisiana Adventure is just so much better.

    A few days ago, Steve DeGaetano used the analogy of frogs frolicking in temperate water without realizing that it is growing ever warmer. The water has been too hot for me for a while now. And, I left it a few months ago. So, the rest of you frogs can have your children's toys in Tomorrowland and your Jerry Bruckheimer pirates on Tom Sawyer's Island and your Christopher Robin nursery toys in Critter Country. I'll be spending my leisure time and my entertainment dollars on more worthwhile activities that actually have: meaning; integrity; quality; intelligence; and, imagination.
    SO take your ball and go home I guess. As stated by many others the "changes" to NOS began way before Eisner or any others, WALT HIMSELF orchestrated some of those changes. You have idolized Walt as some sort of "Moses" figure who made certain commandments and then expected those directives to followed to the letter and to never change. There are numberless examples that WALT HIMSELF saw the park as a evolutionary creative process.

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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I agree that Critter Country is really Frontierland, Part II plus Pooh.

    But it was Bear Country before I was born and when I was little, that's what I grew up with.

    The "lands of the Rivers of America" are cohesively tied together by the river (am I quoting "Mystic River"???) that flows between them.

    But I have always felt New Orleans Square was THE MOST distinctive of the 8 lands of Disneyland. It's always been my favorite area in the Rivers of America section of Disneyland.

    Pragmatic, please step back from the ledge, we love you, man!
    When it was bear country and now critter country I kinda always concidered it the "toon version" of frontierland.

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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    It's the cartoon frontierland area of New Orleans Square.

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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    It's the cartoon frontierland area of New Orleans Square.
    Oh yeah? New Orleans Square doesn't even look like a Square to me. More like a Polygon.


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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    Not to run the debate totally into the ground, but back in Post #100 I wrote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Opus1guy
    I'm pretty sure I have some stuff around the Opus Archives where Walt and some others refer to New Orleans Square as Disneyland's "newest Land."
    In the first of what I'm sure could be a series comes this from a Disneyland flyer dated August 1966. This of course would be 4 months before Walt died, and I'm pretty sure it was actually first written and being distributed sometime before that.



    So clearly when New Orleans Square debuted and for some time later while Walt was still running the show...New Orleans Square was being referred to as Disneyland's newest "Land."


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    Re: The Frog Princess in New Orleans Square

    Quote Originally Posted by Opus1guy View Post
    Not to run the debate totally into the ground, but back in Post #100 I wrote:



    In the first of what I'm sure could be a series comes this from a Disneyland flyer dated August 1966. This of course would be 4 months before Walt died, and I'm pretty sure it was actually first written and being distributed sometime before that.



    So clearly when New Orleans Square debuted and for some time later while Walt was still running the show...New Orleans Square was being referred to as Disneyland's newest "Land."


    QFTW.

    I think that ends that discussion.
    Anyways - any speculation on how they will make Madie part of the area?

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