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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    here is a flyer for all you Disney fans of the original cars. Here is an event that will benefit a good cause and you can spend a day riding on the cars. Notice that the first car has been repainted but second hasn't
    http://slorrm.com/media/roundupflyer07.pdf
    Here is the story of how these cars where sold and ended up in a private collection. Disney wants them back now.
    http://slorrm.com/media/coast_mail_v6n2.pdf

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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ61 View Post
    I've heard that story, but have never read the early description. I'd love to read it.
    The following description was compiled by Walt himself from numerous notes he took on the train back from the Chicago Rail Fair. The memo was dated August 31, 1948, and represents the first time Walt laid out his ideas for a "Mickey Mouse Park." It should be required reading for anyone wanting to understand the creation of Disneyland. Mentioning it three times, the Railroad Station seems to play a central role...

    The Main Village, which includes the Railroad Station is built around a village green or informal park. In the park will be benches, a bandstand, drinking fountain, trees and shrubs. It will be a place for people to sit and rest, mothers and grandmothers can watch over small children at play. I want it to be very relaxing, cool and inviting.

    Around the park will be built the town. At one end will be the Railroad Station, at the other end, Town Hall. The Hall will be built to represent a Town Hall, but actually we will use it as our administration building. It will be the headquarters of the entire project.

    Adjoining the Town Hall will be the Fire and Police Stations. The Fire Station will contain practical fire apparatus, scaled down. The Police Station will also be put to practical use. Here the visitors will report all violations, lost articles, lost kids, etc. In it we could have a little jail where the kids could look in. We might even have some characters in it.

    We will also have a drug store with a soda fountain and sell the usual articles…candy, cigarettes, magazines, camera and film supplies and all sorts of novelty souvenirs.

    The Opera House and the Movie Theatre, with a capacity of three hundred seats, Here we will put on little kids’ plays of all kinds, together with motion pictures. We can also use it as a radio and television broadcasting place. We will have a variety of little stores around the park. One would be a toy store. Here we would sell the Disney toys and whatever toys would be suitable. There should be a repair shop in the store where the toys can be fixed. We would include a book department here that would carry all the Disney books.

    A doll store, featuring Disney dolls and other kids too, together with a doll hospital. Another store could be an old-fashioned candy factory where we would sell candy that is no longer obtainable. We would use only the best materials and stress the fact that it is the old-fashioned kind that can’t be bought today.

    Nest is the Hobby Shop where all kinds of stuff can be bought. This will be for both boys and girls.

    There will be another shop (we will think of an appropriate title) where the Disney artists can sell what they most enjoy doing in their leisure hours, i.e., their hobbies, whatever they may be.

    Maybe we could have a magic shop where we would have all kinds of tricks for kids, party favors, etc.

    Next would be a kids’ furniture store. Here we would have all types of furniture, play-houses, etc., but the point is it would be the same type of furniture that would be on display in the residential section.

    Then a kids’ clothing store. Here we would have all types of play suits, Indian suits, soldier suits, cowboy outfits…all the things kids love to dress up in.

    Restaurant. We would have a lunch counter and dining room. Probably we would have a separate dining room, or rooms, that could be reserved for birthday parties of a private kind. This would be arranged through a separate catering set-up.

    In the center of the park we will have a little hot-dog/ice cream stand which would be very colorful.

    Music Store. Here the kids can buy Disney records and all other kinds of kids’ records.

    In the Town Hall we will have a real Post Office where mail and packages can be mailed (Note: Check with Burbank on how to go about getting our own postal stamp).

    The Horse Car. The car would start at the Main Entrance and pick up those who did not want to walk. The car would then take them down the street to the Railroad Station. The car would stop here for those who wanted to get off at the village or they could continue on to the Western village, then loop around and come back by way of the Carnival section; then onto the Main Village for a stop and continue until it was back at the Main Entrance.

    We will have a Livery Stable where buck-boards are for hire. These will carry adults and children and will be pulled by a team of ponies which would drive them all around the village. Surrreys and buck-boards will be available to go through the Western Village and the old farm. In other words, they can use any road. They will be rented by the half-hour, including the driver.

    Carnival Section. This will be attached to the village and will be the regular concession type, which will appeal to adults and kids alike. There will be roller coasters, merry go rounds…typical Midway stuff. (This will be worked out later.)

    The Western Village. A general store with a soda fountain and lunch counter. We could sell most of the articles we have in the drug store in the village but we would also sell Western toys, Western outfits, toy guns, etc.

    We might want to put in another little movie set-up here where we would run nothing but Western pictures.

    We will have a pony ring, set up a corral, where the kids can ride.

    The Stage Coach. The coach would leave from the Western village, pass through the farm, go through the Indian village and pass the old mill. This would be by a special road.

    The Donkey Pack Train. The donkeys would all be hooked together and handled by one man. This would take ten kids.
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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    The following description was complied by Walt himself from numerous notes he took on the train back from the Chicago Rail Fair. The memo was dated August 31, 1948, and represents the first time Walt laid out his ideas for a "Mickey Mouse Park." It should be required reading for anyone wanting to understand the creation of Disneyland. Mentioning it three times, the Railroad Station seems to play a central role...
    Great stuff! Thanks!

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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    True--it's not a marquee attraction, as you put it.

    However, the Railroad's meaning goes far deeper than even legacy. While Walt may have had a spark of an idea while watching his daughters go in circles on a merry-go-round while he ate peanuts and watched, it was his interest in trains and railroading (which pre-dated his becoming a father) which led almost directly to the very creation of Disneyland--and, by extension, the entire Disney empire.

    While a Castle may be how the company wishes to be recognized, for Walt Disney, his trains meant far more.
    Yep, he's right. Disneyland is a giant model railroad track with some rides filled in between. Walt would have settled for just the railroad track. Glad he ended up filling in the rest as it were, but there can never NOT be a Disneyland railroad. It's not an option to have Disneyland without that railroad.

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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ61 View Post
    I don't remember the quote going, "I just thought there should be a place where families could go and ride a train together." The Railroad was always in Walt's plan for a park, encompassing it (deliniating it from the outside world?) from the earliest plans. Walt's fascination of trains is imprinted on Disneyland throughout his involvement from the RR, Viewliner, Monorail, Mine Train. I just don't conclude it was the sole, or even primary, motivator for him to develop the park.
    Sorry but that's where you're wrong. It doesn't matter what Disney's publicist wrote for him about sitting on a bench eating peanuts while his daughters rode the merry go round. Look at pictures of Walt in his youth on the RR in Missouri or in his back yard on the Carolwood Pacific. That's where Walt's real love was, and if he had room to make a Disneyland RR in Burbank or Holmby Hills he might never have had the reason to open Disneyland to the public.

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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by pratt55 View Post
    I heard they were adding a loop...
    Quote Originally Posted by dolewhipman View Post
    It was my understanding that the dinosaur's were being changed to pirates. If i'm wrong please let me know.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mad Hatter View Post
    I heard about this. They're adding the TAAAARRRRHHHannosaurus Rex.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hippie View Post
    You are wrong, they are putting in the princesses.
    Quote Originally Posted by matterhornmaniac View Post
    no no. the princesses are replacing the grand canyon diaroma...
    Quote Originally Posted by JosephTNielsen View Post
    Oh come on! We could have "The Locomotion" playing!..
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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by dolewhipman View Post
    It was my understanding that the dinosaur's were being changed to pirates. If i'm wrong please let me know.


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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by dolewhipman View Post
    It was my understanding that the dinosaur's were being changed to pirates. If i'm wrong please let me know.
    no...they are taking them out and adding a loop...

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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    As Steve has pointed out before, the DL RR already runs in a loop.

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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    Thanks for the cool info. I really was wondering why it was down for this duration and I just assumed it was a big refurb in replacing tracks and maybe fixing up the dioramas (just cleaning and maintenance). The replacements/enhancements to the diorama scenes sound interesting and I can't wait to see the changes, even though I'm fond of the originals. I really am not the biggest fan of change, but sometimes change ends up being for the better. Thanks again to those who posted what's going on with DLRR.

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    ^ i can't tell if you're being serious or not, but the changes to the dioramas were jokes. steve was the only one being serious about the railroad's refurbishment.

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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tractor View Post
    Here is the story of how these cars where sold and ended up in a private collection. Disney wants them back now.
    http://slorrm.com/media/coast_mail_v6n2.pdf
    HEY!! That article looks familiar! (Oh, and as the author points out, the cars were traded off, not sold).

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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    You are right they traded them for a 5th engine for Disneyland then found out it was to big for Disneyland. So they ended up sending it to World where it was to small. Then it went to Cedar Point and finally its new home Knotts. But the cars where sold to the present owner

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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    True enough.

    Hey, Tractor, have we met before?

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    Re: What's up with the Disneyland Railroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    The following description was compiled by Walt himself from numerous notes he took on the train back from the Chicago Rail Fair. The memo was dated August 31, 1948, and represents the first time Walt laid out his ideas for a "Mickey Mouse Park." It should be required reading for anyone wanting to understand the creation of Disneyland. Mentioning it three times, the Railroad Station seems to play a central role...
    That was pretty cool.

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