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    What did this cave used to be?

    I saw this Sunday by the koi pond and have no idea what it is for. http:// darkbeer.smugmug.com/gallery/605158/9/25535651 .

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    That looks like the tunnel near Big Thunder Railroad that use to be part of the Mine Train Ride through Nature's Wonderland. http://www.yesterland.com/minetrain.html

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    Yeah, that is exactly what it is. And if you look closely there is even some of the old track in the tunnel.
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    There's not much track left. A tree fell over and smashed most of it earlier this year.

    This particular track used to be a bridge going over bear creek where the bears hung out and the fish jumped. It took you from Cascade peak all the way over to where the elk were fighting, and on through to the natural arch bridge.

    There's another cave that's all boarded up down the trail a bit toward Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. This is the one you went through first before going around Cascade Peak.
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    the fish still jump! i heart the jumping fish! there is a another thread somewhere where we posted pix of the beloved fish... hehe

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    Everytime i see that tunnel, I reminisce about the Pack mules and the train ride that traveled thru Nature's Wonderland. Right now, it's more like "tumbleweed gulch".

    Rumors keep cropping up that the park will renovate the area and add new attractions. Geyser Mountain (kind of a Nature's ToT) is one of the rumors. I'm hoping that a flume/coaster will be built - on the order of Sea World's Journey to Atlantis.

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    A flume would be awesome. Coaster, eh...

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    do we really need a new flume ride that close to Splash? Or a coaster that close to Big Thunder. It seems to me having a water coaster inbetween Splash and Big Thunder would be very repetitious.
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    I always wondered what that cave was used for.My dad said it used to be a ride but i never believed him.They should defintly put somthing there.Its big enough to fit a couple of attractions there

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    Quote Originally Posted by painted windows
    I always wondered what that cave was used for.My dad said it used to be a ride but i never believed him.They should defintly put somthing there.Its big enough to fit a couple of attractions there
    Thunder Mountain and its adjacent Ranch pretty much ate up a lot of the area. I'm not old enough to remember Nature's Wonderland, but I really wish it had remained. Instead of having a huge and beautiful train ride through Frontierland, we now have an abanded Ranch and a rollercoaster about 1/3 the size of Nature's Wonderland.

    I like Thunder Mountain, but people like me will never have the opportunity to see what it was like travelling alongside the Rivers of America, going through Cascade Peak or seeing any of that. I honestly wouldn't mind if they removed Big Thunder and its Ranch and put in a contemporary version of Nature's Wonderland...or heck, even better Marc Davis's Western River Expeiditon. That's what was going to be the replacement for Nature's Wonderland after the WDW version, right? Well, assuming DL's Thunder Mountain took the same design route as WDW's.

    Marc Davis was incredibly upset when he found out Tony Baxter's Thunder Mountain was going in there instead and after Splash Mountain went over budget and needed Davis's America Sing's AA, he never really forgave Tony Baxter even up until his death. I think finally putting in WRE would not only be a great addition to Frontierland, it would also be a great posthumous monument to Marc Davis and his contributions to Disney.
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    I have always wondered if those were part of a ride or not as well... so now I know Ive also always thought it would be cool to make a runaway mine cart ride dark ride out of it, maybe incorporating the old Skyway building as the entrance/que line area. Kind of like Frontierland's version of Space Mountain. Start out slow like youre learning about the early days and their need to mine ore and whatnot, then something goes wrong with the mine car train and it becomes a runaway... but I digress before I totally derail this topic, sorry... heheh.
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    http://www.yesterland.com/rcminetrain.html

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    The Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland opened in Disneyland in 1960 as an expansion of the Rainbow Caverns Mine Train (1956). The Big Thunder Mountain Railroad thrill ride replaced the Mine Train in 1979.

    But not all is gone. The buildings from the little town of Rainbow Ridge stills grace the hills above the waiting area. And as you walk long the trail across from Big Thunder Mountain Railroad towards Fantasyland, you're walking through what's left of Beaver Valley.
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    Hey, Darkbeer. Thank's for all the Yesteryear photos of Rainbow Ridge, Rainbow Caverns and Nature's Wonderland.


    Quote Originally Posted by pyrateslife4me84
    do we really need a new flume ride that close to Splash? Or a coaster that close to Big Thunder. It seems to me having a water coaster inbetween Splash and Big Thunder would be very repetitious.
    A combination flume/coaster/dark ride would be breaking new ground for Disneyland, though.

    I like the Geyser mountain idea as well. It would be a combination flume/drop ride. Riding in a floating vehicle, you would follow a flume course (much like Splash Mountain) experiencing special effects and animatronic scenes inside the caves. On the outside would be a new Nature's Wonderland, and additional animatronic scenes. Ultimately, you would travel to the base of a tremendous geyser, within a "mountain", and then be shot up to the top, and fall back down several times befor your ride ends. That would be pretty unique.
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    Wow, so other people know too! (I'm not surprised)

    I remember hearing alot of "What's that big hole for?!" on my last visit.

    They should make the fish jump out higher or put some animatronic in the tunnel so atleast tourists won't be stratching their heads as much, but that's my opinion *shrugs*



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior
    A combination flume/coaster/dark ride would be breaking new ground for Disneyland, though.

    I like the Geyser mountain idea as well. It would be a combination flume/drop ride. Riding in a floating vehicle, you would follow a flume course (much like Splash Mountain) experiencing special effects and animatronic scenes inside the caves. On the outside would be a new Nature's Wonderland, and additional animatronic scenes. Ultimately, you would travel to the base of a tremendous geyser, within a "mountain", and then be shot up to the top, and fall back down several times befor your ride ends. That would be pretty unique.
    While I think this is a cool idea, I have to ask... how does one combine a flume type ride with a floating vehicle, with a ToT/Maliboomer type ride where the vehicle would need to be held in place by a track to go up and down? Certainly cant have the vehicle float on top of the water, not to mention the tremendous water pressure needed to push the vehicle up, and then free-fall back down with no support or leverage on the vehicle.
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