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    Return of Fantasmic!

    I'm so excited F! will return on June 15th!!! However, it's disappointing that Mark Twain will be under refurbishment until the 18th. Do you think we'll see some changes to the show? Personally, I wouldn't mind minor changes such as better technology, sounds or effects. But I hope they're keeping the basic premise of the show.
    What do you all think? Or is everybody to busy with Pirates' Liar and the Nemo subs that you've forgotten one of Disney's best shows?
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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    If Twain is still down for refurb, they'll do the ending Florida-style, with all the dancers coming out onto the island and waving ribbons. It's deeply lame, but it could be worse. That's what they do whenever Twain is unavailable for Fantasmic.

    Now, if Columbia's unavailable, I think they have to cancel the show, but I'm not entirely certain.

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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    I thought of something.....maybe we'll see the Ursula barge back!!!
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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    No Columbia no show. Unless they decided to do something with the pirate stunt show stage as an alternate, which I'd wondered about. But I doubt it

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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    If mark Twain is still out then Fantasmic finale will really suck. All those characters running around the island. So lame....

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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    Quote Originally Posted by almandot View Post
    No Columbia no show. Unless they decided to do something with the pirate stunt show stage as an alternate, which I'd wondered about. But I doubt it
    I was told, by a stunt man in Fantasmic, that if the Columbia is not running, Peter, Hook, and a few others have something staged on the Island; similar concept as to what they do when the Mark Twain is down.

    Except no ribbons.

    Or dancing.
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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    Well, they don't.. but that could have changed over the refurb or in the last couple of years. It would have been a very recent addition, and something as of yet has never been seen by anybody so I'm skeptical. Of course once again it's been down and they just added a bunch of rigging to that stage so who knows if something changed over this refurb.

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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    Quote Originally Posted by almandot View Post
    Well, they don't.. but that could have changed over the refurb or in the last couple of years. It would have been a very recent addition, and something as of yet has never been seen by anybody so I'm skeptical. Of course once again it's been down and they just added a bunch of rigging to that stage so who knows if something changed over this refurb.
    This was told to me before the Pirates Lair was officially announced. This was also confirmed to me by a cast member working traffic on Fantasmic one night before Pirates Lair was announced. The traffic guy said that he thinks it's only happened once in the entire shows history.

    I'm not sure why one of the pirates doing the rigging work on the ship would have motivation to lie to me about something like this. Especially since we were at stunt auditions together for a different show. (Peer to Peer vs. Cast Member to Guest) And more importantly, as he is directly connected to the Peter Pan sequence, wouldn't he know?
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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    like I said. i'm skeptical. but if true it'd have to be a very recent thing and I don't believe it's ever been seen anyone. I was friends with Mr. Smee as of 2003, 11 years into the show's run, and they still did not have an alternate in existance. they do have alternates if the pirates from the snake don't make it onto the ship, weather alternatives, minimal stunt alternatives if no air cushion is set up, etc... but no stage alternative.

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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    Quote Originally Posted by almandot View Post
    like I said. i'm skeptical. but if true it'd have to be a very recent thing and I don't believe it's ever been seen anyone. I was friends with Mr. Smee as of 2003, 11 years into the show's run, and they still did not have an alternate in existance. they do have alternates if the pirates from the snake don't make it onto the ship, weather alternatives, minimal stunt alternatives if no air cushion is set up, etc... but no stage alternative.
    Interesting. Another case of two Disney employees completely contradicting each other! Why am I not surprised?
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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    Quote Originally Posted by almandot View Post
    like I said. i'm skeptical. but if true it'd have to be a very recent thing and I don't believe it's ever been seen anyone. I was friends with Mr. Smee as of 2003, 11 years into the show's run, and they still did not have an alternate in existance. they do have alternates if the pirates from the snake don't make it onto the ship, weather alternatives, minimal stunt alternatives if no air cushion is set up, etc... but no stage alternative.
    I'm with Maryann on this one. There most definitely IS a no Columbia show contingency... Trust me... AND it's definitely not a new thing.

    There are contingencies for about every possible thing to go wrong with that show.

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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    As far as new effects goes. Once they start phase 2 of TSI when they drain ROA and everything these are the proposed changes to Fantasmic. Motorized Fountains (meaning they could sway left and right during some of the segments). New LED lights to be installed underneath the fountains. New Digital projectors to create a much better image. New Control panels for both the show elements which are controlled up in NOS and in the Cider Mill (refuse to call it Laffite's Tavern) where they control all the Pyro. So lets hope these changes get greenlit once Phase 2 begins.

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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    Quote Originally Posted by kidpirate View Post
    I'm with Maryann on this one. There most definitely IS a no Columbia show contingency... Trust me... AND it's definitely not a new thing.

    There are contingencies for about every possible thing to go wrong with that show.

    Well you can't just say that, you'll have to enlighten us in order for me to not be skeptical about it. :P What is the alternate? Did you witness it firsthand? Are you in the cast? Is there a video somewhere you saw? etc..

    I know they have many contingencies, and the peter pan segment itself has many contingencies, but no columbia has always meant no show in the past, and I say that both from being at the park while the columbia is down and the show being dark as well as straight from Mr. Smee's mouth.

    I'm not saying it's impossible but it'd have to be from the last year or two and I still don't see anything to support it :P

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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    Quote Originally Posted by almandot View Post
    Well you can't just say that, you'll have to enlighten us in order for me to not be skeptical about it. :P What is the alternate? Did you witness it firsthand? Are you in the cast? Is there a video somewhere you saw? etc..

    I know they have many contingencies, and the peter pan segment itself has many contingencies, but no columbia has always meant no show in the past, and I say that both from being at the park while the columbia is down and the show being dark as well as straight from Mr. Smee's mouth.

    I'm not saying it's impossible but it'd have to be from the last year or two and I still don't see anything to support it :P
    You know, the more I think of it, the more they HAVE to have one.

    What happens if the Columbia goe kaplooey in the middle of the show, before the Peter Pan segment? Some live shows would stop and cancel or try to fix (ala the batmobile not working in the Magic Mountain stunt show, which I have witnessed).

    Disney would never stop the show midstream unless it was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Like the Mark Twain caught fire in the middle of the finale. It would be a violation of all the effort they put into preventing us from looking at the reality behind the fantasy they present. They HAVE to have one.

    Perhaps if they know ahead of time, they cancel the show. But they still have a plan in case it happens in the middle of the show. (Which may be why nobody has ever seen it. The chances of it malfunctioning in the middle of the show is miniscule in comparison the amount of times it goes into refurb.)
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    Re: Return of Fantasmic!

    If the columbia dies midshow before peter pan, they stop the show. If the mark twain is supposed to be used but it dies before the finale happens, they stop the show. It's happened before, mickey kills the dragon, the lights come on, show's over. They don't just jump into the alternate stage finale as a mid-show decision, and the same would go for an alternate peter pan sequence. They have the alternate stage show for when they KNOW mark twain is down, but once again they don't have one for the peter pan sequence unless they've added one in the last year or 2 and I doubt it(and no one's proved it yet, meanwhile I know for 100% fact it didn't exist prior to 2004 as per my friend Mr. Smee, and 99% sure it didn't exist prior to 2005 because of the columbia being down for refurb prior to the 50th and them cancelling fantasmic shows :P)

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