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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterGracey View Post
    You can't blame Star Wars for Space Mountain and the decline in the land's theme in recent years...

    However, you can probably blame Star Tours for the perpetuation of more film-based attractions in the parks, and further watering down the Tomorrowland theme which subsequently allowed attractions like Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin/Astro Blasters, Mosnters Inc Laugh Floor, and the Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage to be regarded as thematically-correct fits for the World of Tomorrow.
    Wow, wish I had said that. This apologistic acceptance and embrace of poorly-themed attractions will only perpetuate these movie-based projects, which further undermine the creative storytelling Disney has built an Empire (SW pun?) on.
    The rate at which people are subscribing to these threadbare arguments regarding Nemo's inclusion into Tomorrowland is astounding to me. Maybe Nemo is, in fact, more of a red herring than a orange clownfish?
    But back on topic, I agree with MG's astute assessment of the influence that movies and movie franchises are exercising over DL, at the expense of theme.

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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Blame can't rest solely on Star Tours. Captain EO came first and along-side with Star Tours propelled Tomorrowland into Space Fantasy.

    But I love those attractions... where as Buzz Lightyear is fun, but I don't love it.


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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coheteboy View Post
    Blame can't rest solely on Star Tours. Captain EO came first and along-side with Star Tours propelled Tomorrowland into Space Fantasy.

    But I love those attractions... where as Buzz Lightyear is fun, but I don't love it.
    I LOVED Captain EO - and I used to love Star Tours - but it's so stale now....and Buzz Lightyear? Did it once and that's all I need. If I want to go to a shooting gallery, I'll go to Frontierland. Because basically, as I see it, Buzz is just a shooting gallery.

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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coheteboy View Post
    Blame can't rest solely on Star Tours. Captain EO came first and along-side with Star Tours propelled Tomorrowland into Space Fantasy.

    But I love those attractions... where as Buzz Lightyear is fun, but I don't love it.
    Captain EO wasn't movie-themed though. It was an original concept and story. Star Tours, while an original story, was based off the Star Wars movie franchise. The subsequent success of the Star Tours attraction is therefore reponsible for the addition of more movie-themed attractions in the parks, especially in Tomorrowland.

    Movie-themed attractions have become filler for Tomorrowland because Tomorrowland is such a difficult land to keep up with. Instead of working to create a futuristic World of Tomorrow, Disney and the Imagineers have resorted to forceing otherwise out-of-theme movie characters into Tomorrowland - and this has become acceptable practice because Disney was able to slip the out-of-context Star Wars universe past park guests and brand it as futuristic, despite the Star Wars films being set in "a long time ago."


    Regarding Tomorrowland's "space/science fantasy" theme - nothing can be blamed other than a quickly evolving society that has advanced so quickly so that Imagineers have a hard time keeping up.

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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Well the real future is kind of lame, think about it, a list of possible rides.
    Al Gores clean burning Autopia
    Submarine Voyage to the Lost City of Manhattan
    Honey I Shrunk the Ozone
    World War 3

    I would Like to point out though that Star Wars doesnt fit in Tommorrowland...... and i quote "A LONG TIME AGO, IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY..."

    It technically belongs in Yesterland.

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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterGracey View Post
    Captain EO wasn't movie-themed though. It was an original concept and story. Star Tours, while an original story, was based off the Star Wars movie franchise. The subsequent success of the Star Tours attraction is therefore reponsible for the addition of more movie-themed attractions in the parks, especially in Tomorrowland.

    Movie-themed attractions have become filler for Tomorrowland because Tomorrowland is such a difficult land to keep up with. Instead of working to create a futuristic World of Tomorrow, Disney and the Imagineers have resorted to forceing otherwise out-of-theme movie characters into Tomorrowland - and this has become acceptable practice because Disney was able to slip the out-of-context Star Wars universe past park guests and brand it as futuristic, despite the Star Wars films being set in "a long time ago."


    Regarding Tomorrowland's "space/science fantasy" theme - nothing can be blamed other than a quickly evolving society that has advanced so quickly so that Imagineers have a hard time keeping up.
    I don't really see that big of a problem with a space/science fantasy theme with Tomorrowland. Yeah, it's not what Walt envisioned, but that doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing. If technology continues to advance at the rate it's advancing it would be impossible to keep the "possible future" theme up to date and ridiculously expensive to boot. Buzz Lightyear doesn't fit the space fantasy theme exactly, but Star Wars does. If Buzz Lightyear had been themed to Buzz Lightyear the space ranger as opposed to Buzz Lightyear the action figure I think it would fit better. Autopia exists there because it's a classic. It could be easily remade into a "possible future" style attraction, though, with different propulsion for the vehicles...

    I'm getting an idea....

    Innoventions, Autopia, Monorail, People Mover replacement form the "possible future corner of Tomorrowland. Star Tours, Space Mountain, a reworked Buzz Lightyear, and Rocket Jets form the space/science fantasy portion, with the Rocket Jets serving as a bridge between the two. Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage serves as the transition between Tomorrowland and Fantasyland because as it stands now it incorporates concepts from both lands. What do you think?
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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Quote Originally Posted by BassBone View Post
    I'm getting an idea....

    Innoventions, Autopia, Monorail, People Mover replacement form the "possible future corner of Tomorrowland. Star Tours, Space Mountain, a reworked Buzz Lightyear, and Rocket Jets form the space/science fantasy portion, with the Rocket Jets serving as a bridge between the two. Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage serves as the transition between Tomorrowland and Fantasyland because as it stands now it incorporates concepts from both lands. What do you think?

    I foresee a revisit to the "discoveryland in disneyland" topic in the near future.

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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Don't blame Star Wars

    Blame Paul Pressler and cheap pixar tie-ins

    Getting rid of Club Buzz did wonders for Tomorrowland now if they would just get rid of Nemo and Buzz Lightyear (and Monsters Inc. in florida UGH!)

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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostbuster626 View Post
    Don't blame Star Wars

    Blame Paul Pressler and cheap pixar tie-ins

    Getting rid of Club Buzz did wonders for Tomorrowland now if they would just get rid of Nemo and Buzz Lightyear (and Monsters Inc. in florida UGH!)
    wait, you WANT them to get rid of nemo already?
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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Yeah, leave nemo for like..... 10 years, then get rid of it.

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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1disneynut2another View Post
    I would Like to point out though that Star Wars doesnt fit in Tommorrowland...... and i quote "A LONG TIME AGO, IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY..."

    It technically belongs in Yesterland.
    Thank you! I have been saying this for a while now......that Star Wars takes place in the past - hence the opening credits.

    Thank you for posting this!

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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneyland Daddy View Post
    Thank you! I have been saying this for a while now......that Star Wars takes place in the past - hence the opening credits.

    Thank you for posting this!


    Aha, but who's to say that it's sooo long ago that it's actually our future?



    (okay I'm just trying to defend Star Tours. I think it works better in Tomorrowland than in MGM Studios)


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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coheteboy View Post
    Aha, but who's to say that it's sooo long ago that it's actually our future?



    (okay I'm just trying to defend Star Tours. I think it works better in Tomorrowland than in MGM Studios)
    Isn't the Star Tours at MGM themed as a movie set? That struck me as kind of odd.
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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coheteboy View Post
    Aha, but who's to say that it's sooo long ago that it's actually our future?



    (okay I'm just trying to defend Star Tours. I think it works better in Tomorrowland than in MGM Studios)
    Thematically, Star Tours doesn''t make sense in Tomorrowland or MGM Studios -- it's isn't futuristic nor is the attraction designed as a movie set or an inside look into filmmaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by BassBone View Post
    Isn't the Star Tours at MGM themed as a movie set? That struck me as kind of odd.
    Star Tours at Disney-MGM Studios is only themed as a film set on its exterior. Inside, its pretty much a copy of Disneyland's attraction.

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    Re: Can we blame star wars for the "New" Tomorrowlands?

    Star Tours is themed as an intergalatic space port in disneyland. But it's a movie set in MGM? Weird.

    The star wars technology is futuristic though, regardless of the fact that the story took place "a long time ago". Besides, isn't time supposed to work differently in other galaxies? Maybe their past is our future! Mwahahaha!
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