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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    Quote Originally Posted by gOLDEN bLUE View Post
    innoventions isn't getting as much business as it used to. but it still has some good stuff in it. so, move those things into the starcade where people can still be able to enjoy them, and add some futuristic video games in there as well. with the technology today and disney magic, a lot is possible. then, they'd be able to use both floors. rename the starcade to something more suitable, and "viola."

    now, just gut out/take out innoventions, and place a whole new attraction there.

    sorry if this idea has already been thought up.

    and great thread, btw.

    I second that.


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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    Great thread MG. Putting those pictures side by side really shoes how much empty space there is! Sad



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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    As with everyone else's comments: most excellent post. And yes, it's a bit discouraging, but we do seem to be on an upward trajectory, don't we?

    By all means, gut the Starcade and the most horrible HISTA and put in a nice D-ticket! Maybe something stationary like a movie that completely surrounds the audience, features huge sound, and maybe some 3-D effects...CIRCLEVISION!?!? But with a something-in-the-future storyline? And how hard can it possibly be to bring back PeopleMover and AstroJets? Could we mabye just start by removing the space junk?

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    Quote Originally Posted by HuckSawyer View Post
    As with everyone else's comments: most excellent post. And yes, it's a bit discouraging, but we do seem to be on an upward trajectory, don't we?

    By all means, gut the Starcade and the most horrible HISTA and put in a nice D-ticket! Maybe something stationary like a movie that completely surrounds the audience, features huge sound, and maybe some 3-D effects...CIRCLEVISION!?!? But with a something-in-the-future storyline? And how hard can it possibly be to bring back PeopleMover and AstroJets? Could we mabye just start by removing the space junk?
    or indoor flying saucers like i once mentioned! how fun would that be!

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    Quote Originally Posted by penguinsoda View Post
    Why go to the expence of building a third gate, when they have so many places that could have new attractions and/or shows built. It seems like a waste of money to be worrying about a new park, when so much could be done to expand what they already have.
    The reason why there isn't a pressing need to build new attractions in Disneyland is simple: the park has reached its capacity. With the park consistently attracting 14 million guests per year, adding new attractions will not increase overall attendance simply because the park would be too crowded.
    Also you have to understand that typically the amount of shows and attractions a guest will see in one day is insignificant compared to the total number of attractions. A number that's been passed along from various news agencies suggest that the average guest at Disneyland will have enough time to take in 10 to 15 attractions in a given day. What is the total number of attractions now? 50? 60? If you add another attraction, it simply means that another attraction somewhere will be less attended. But as long as guests are getting a full day's worth - they leave happy.

    Building new gates is the way to expand the resort as a whole, since you're adding capacity to the resort. The size of Disneyland will never change, and cramming 14 million guests a year down that small skinny Main Street has it's consequences. Spending your money to add a park that can comfortably accommodate another 7 to 10 million guests is a smart business move.

    Think of it this way. Indiana Jones cost 100 million dollars to build, but when it opened attendance did not increase significantly past the same numbers that Splash Mountain produced when that attraction opened in 1989. So even though they spent 100 million dollars, attendance remained pretty much the same. When DCA opened, despite the bad reviews, the park added another 5 million gate clicks to the resort. That 5 million extra gate clicks represents added revenue.

    Attraction development for Disneyland is past the point of trying to add any more people to the park, simply because the park is already filled to capacity. Rather, attraction development will focus on replacing aging attraction and facilities that can no longer attract decent crowds. Rather than build new attractions to attract more guests, Disneyland will focus on refurbishing and redeveloping older attractions to keep the guests already there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patattack View Post
    or indoor flying saucers like i once mentioned! how fun would that be!
    Yes, yes! Indoor flying saucers! Lasers, smoke, visual effects...Hey, how about indoor flying saucers in a circlevision theater???

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    how about flying saucers going through a circle vision theater and then they go through adventures through inner space hahaha

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    An excellent thread! Considering how much unused (and in some cases just plain ugly) spaces there are in DCA and (to a lesser extent) Disneyland, I am amazed at how eager Disney is to push towards a third park in the area. How about filling in a little more of the wasted space in the existing parks before lobbing a wad of cash into yet another area park?

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    Quote Originally Posted by localdisnyfan View Post
    Up until a few weeks ago, you could have had a then/now with the subs and TSI.
    Thanks for pointing out TSI. I added it to the OP along with the Subs and Toy Story Mania!

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    DCA needs their space to be filled more than disneyland.

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    The reason why there isn't a pressing need to build new attractions in Disneyland is simple: the park has reached its capacity. With the park consistently attracting 14 million guests per year, adding new attractions will not increase overall attendance simply because the park would be too crowded.
    Also you have to understand that typically the amount of shows and attractions a guest will see in one day is insignificant compared to the total number of attractions. A number that's been passed along from various news agencies suggest that the average guest at Disneyland will have enough time to take in 10 to 15 attractions in a given day. What is the total number of attractions now? 50? 60? If you add another attraction, it simply means that another attraction somewhere will be less attended. But as long as guests are getting a full day's worth - they leave happy.

    Building new gates is the way to expand the resort as a whole, since you're adding capacity to the resort. The size of Disneyland will never change, and cramming 14 million guests a year down that small skinny Main Street has it's consequences. Spending your money to add a park that can comfortably accommodate another 7 to 10 million guests is a smart business move.

    Think of it this way. Indiana Jones cost 100 million dollars to build, but when it opened attendance did not increase significantly past the same numbers that Splash Mountain produced when that attraction opened in 1989. So even though they spent 100 million dollars, attendance remained pretty much the same. When DCA opened, despite the bad reviews, the park added another 5 million gate clicks to the resort. That 5 million extra gate clicks represents added revenue.

    Attraction development for Disneyland is past the point of trying to add any more people to the park, simply because the park is already filled to capacity. Rather, attraction development will focus on replacing aging attraction and facilities that can no longer attract decent crowds. Rather than build new attractions to attract more guests, Disneyland will focus on refurbishing and redeveloping older attractions to keep the guests already there.

    Good points... but in the same token, additional attractions that give people far more to do would encourage additional guest spending via longer hotel stays and more days on those ParkHopper tickets.

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    For those of us non-AP'ers MrLiver, the more attractions in Disneyland is equal to the more number of days those of us on vacation will need to spend at Disneyland and in the Disneyland Resort. What that means for the company is more customer cashflow, more customer loyalty to the brand, and better enjoyment in the park itself. I would far rather have too much to do and not get to see it all in one visit than have too little to do in a three day visit and never want to return. Example, DCA. Maybe fifteen true attractions in the entire park, and those can all be Fastpassed , Single Rider lined, and accomplished in the morning before the crowd rush, thus giving the park too little to do in not even a day but a half a day. Disneyland is so enjoyable because it offers so much, not because it offers too much, and personally, the more attractions it has the better, the less empty space Disneyland has, the better.

    You [Link to unauthorized site removed]s should be lucky though, Walt Disney World, specifically its Magic Kingdom, have become an American Wasteland. I already know that next summer I'll be given the decision of Disneyland Resort or Walt Disney World, and hands down it will be Disneyland...my trip in 2006 was the best vacation I have ever had.

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    Actually DCA may get somthing new soon. *wink* It is something you are all excited to get. That is all I can say for now until it is released if it will be.

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    Quote Originally Posted by Sub_Voyage fan View Post
    Actually DCA may get somthing new soon. *wink* It is something you are all excited to get. That is all I can say for now until it is released if it will be.
    something besides the new water show, the maybe phantom boats in the lagoon, or midway mania?

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    Re: AbandonedLand: Finding uses for the empty and unused parts of the Disneyland Res

    Well I was thinking of Midway and the water show.

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