Creator of Mario and Zelda gives a quote that Disney should listen to.

[GhostHost2]

This post could fit under many boards here at MC, since I believe it applies to Disney's movies, parks, and products in general.

In issue 171 of Game Informer, Shigeru Miyamoto (creator of Mario and Zelda) says "I could make Halo. It's not that I couldn't design that game. It's just that I choose not to. One thing about my game design is that I never try to look for what people want and then try to make that game design."

That is why Walt Disney and PIXAR were so successful, people weren't wanting a feature length animated movie or a theme park where rides tell stories, but Walt gave it to people. When a company limits what it does to what will be a sure-fire hit, then creativity is serverly limited. Submarines Voyage without Finding Nemo (though i do love the movie) could have gone in all kinds of directions (with wonders such as mermaids and a giant squid), but it had to be Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage so it would be a surefire hit. This made the Imagineers make an attraction the public wants instead of something they wanted. Brad Bird, says he makes movies for himself, and that is why his work has such great quality.

[fo'c's'le swab]

Excellent quote illustrating an excellent point. Taking the path less-travelled has certainly made all the difference for him, eh?

[Jackdack]

You're right. They really ought to listen to Mr. Miyamoto. I would have loved a sub ride with mermaids and giant squid. It would have rocked. Creativity please.

[ManaByte]

Ah, I see. Another Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage bash thread.

Move along.

[fo'c's'le swab]

Ah, I see. Another Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage bash thread.

Move along.

I'd say the quote, and the principle behind it, is universally applicable. It's encouraging to see the time and consideration you gave it, before discarding the message, and dismissing it as "another" "bash thread". Wonderful.

[Steve DeGaetano]

Ah, I see. Another Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage bash thread.

Move along.

I agree with Swab.

Interesting that you choose to use "Walking in Walt's Footsteps" as your sig. I suspect by the statement that you don't actually subscribe to Walt Disney's design philosophy; only that you have actually set foot where Walt did.

[TheManator]

Ah, I see. Another Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage bash thread.

Move along.

Yeah, it's all bash bash bash these days.

anyways, I agree it's about quality not quanity, and I believe FNSV is a GREAT quality and GREAT quanity working together.

[fo'c's'le swab]

Yeah, it's all bash bash bash these days.

anyways, I agree it's about quality not quanity, and I believe FNSV is a GREAT quality and GREAT quanity working together.

Regardless of one's stance on 'Nemo', this is a great thread, and a great quote--thanks, GhostHost!

[mycroft16]

I'm with Steve and swab on this one as well as the OP.

This isn't about Finding Nemo at all. That was merely an example to illustrate a point. Get over it people. The point here is that lately Disney had been creating stuff with built in audiences. Making a ride or a movie that they are sure the people will like because it is what people want. Disney had much greater success when they TOLD people what they wanted by building rides and parks that were completely unheard of or unthought of before. No one wanted Snow White or Disneyland. People told Walt he was crazy and that neither would succeed because it wasn't what people wanted. But he did it anyway because he was going to tell people what they wanted by providing them an incredible entertainment opportunity.

This isn't about bashing Finding Nemo. This is about what could have been had they taken a risk on making something unique and different and new rather than sticking with a "safe" story that they know people like and want to see more of.

Personally I'm very excited to ride FNSV. I want to see it. I look forward to it and I'm sure I will enjoy it immensely. However, had they taken a risk with something no one had ever seen before, they could have had an even bigger hit on their hands that would have lasted for decades after the name Nemo has faded from public fame. That's what this is about. Creating new audiences and new entertainment and new ideas rather than playing it safe and sticking to the same old beaten path they have trod a thousand times already. Try seeing the larger issue here rather than thinking this is just bashing Nemo or Pooh, or what have you.

[Steve DeGaetano]

This isn't about Finding Nemo at all...Try seeing the larger issue here rather than thinking this is just bashing Nemo or Pooh, or what have you.

Are you bashing the people who have chosen to bash the bashers?

[mycroft16]

Are you bashing the people who have chosen to bash the bashers?

Maybe Though after reading that I'm confused enough that I could be bashing myself for bashing the people bashing the bashers for bashing.

[Steve DeGaetano]

Personally I'm very excited to ride FNSV. I want to see it. I look forward to it and I'm sure I will enjoy it immensely. However, had they taken a risk with something no one had ever seen before, they could have had an even bigger hit on their hands that would have lasted for decades.

Fascinating. I didn't think a person such as yourself existed. Someone who can actually make the distinction between an attraction that's "fun," and knowing that--even if it is fun--perhaps it still doesn't belong, or could have been better.

[fo'c's'le swab]

Fascinating. I didn't think a person such as yourself existed. Someone who can actually make the distinction between and attraction that's "fun," and knowing that--even if it is fun--perhaps it still doesn't belong, or could have been better.

AYE!! I agree with Steve--good posting, Mycroft!!

[mycroft16]

Thanks Steve

I try to appreciate a ride or attraction on 2 levels. The level of the ride for the rides sake (which is where the fun element comes in) as well as the "wow, they really could have taken this so much further and pushed the envelope with this and made it truly stellar" level. DLR's Pooh is that way. I enjoy it. It is fun, relaxing, cool on a warm summer day, well executed for the level they apparently were going for. But boy could it have been so much more than what it is. I feel the same about the subs. As Finding Nemo they are amazing, but they could have pushed it into a whole new realm had they really Blue Skied things.

I desperately want original ideas that have no tie in to movies at all. I want them to exercise their creativity to the maximum and then push beyond that. I know they've still got the talent to do it, they just need to be allowed to do it without restraint.

[FrumiousBoojum]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to agree with ManaByte a bit.

Yes, that statement by Miyamoto-sensei is correct and one that Walt Disney and Pixar has applied to their success.

But Disney doing things with built-in audiences is nowhere near new.

Walt did it when he did a sequel to Three Little Pigs. The famous quote is, "You can't top pigs with pigs." However, that didn't stop him from doing the occasional sequel when the demand was high enough. There still are dozens of sequels that were done in Walt's lifetime.

As well, there have been a lot of projects scrapped because of the risk or they didn't have that built-in audience to rely on. Take, for example, Chanticleer. Could have become one of the greatest animated features ever. However, because the thought of a Broadway-style animated film was too risky. So we got plan B instead (Jungle Book, if I remember right). As we all know, when Disney finally decided to use this formula, they had hit after hit after hit.

Using the quote for inspiration is one thing -- using it as an excuse to bash Nemo or do a "What would Walt do?" is unacceptable -- none of us know what Walt would do. For all we know, Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage could very well have been something Walt would want.