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Never!!!!!!!! It would Ruin The Magic!
I dont care, I only care about the parks!
I dont care I am a kid!
Maybe........Let me think it through
I would like another Disney themed Hotel, just not one with a casino in it!
NO NO NO NO NO, Disney needs to focus on their main problem right now, DCA!
I am fine with the Hotels they have now.
A casino in a hotel will just attract more guests, which means DL will be too crowded NO!
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If Disney did get into the gambling business, they should do it in Vegas not near the parks. Family fun and gambling dont mix.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge..."-Albert Einstein
Which is why Disney will never...eeeeeeeeeh-ver be involved with gambling!
Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist
Thinking about it, I would love to see Disney build a casino just to see how bizarre it would be. Perhaps this could be another way to spruce up YOMD. Just think - instead of money, you could win fabulous and exciting prizes like collectible pins and Dream Fastpasses, or maybe even a pair of those elusive ears!
... just as long as Ms. Lohan only destroys the Boyer paintings that show Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse holding hands. Seriously, though, someone with enough imagination could potentially redefine gaming in much the same way Walt Disney removed the unpleasantness from carnivals and amusement parks so many years ago.
I don't gamble, myself. The odds for every game, except for Blackjack, potentially, are in the favor of the house, so the more one plays the more the results are going to match those odds. But, besides the irrationality inhered by gambling, the practice is distasteful to many people because they think one should only gain money by earning it. Winning in a game of chance to them is undignified. And, I'm inclined to agree. Americans, especially, value a Protestant work ethic.
The compulsiveness some people experience is also problematic. So, Disney would have to thoroughly address each of these concerns in order to create an approximation of a casino. But, I'm convinced that doing so is possible if the person in charge of such a project really knows what he or she is doing.
Last edited by PragmaticIdealist; 07-18-2007 at 10:01 AM.
Here's my spin on it. First of all it isn't legally possible in Anaheim, so nix that idea. So Vegas most likely would make the most sense.
Problem is the Disney name is synonymous with Family entertainment. Casinos are they exact opposite. Yes, Vegas tries to kid friendly it up with rollercoasters, theaters & water parks, but the fact remains that city was built on sin, gambling, drinking and some acts that are considered lewd.
If Disney creates a casino, why stop there? Mickey Mouse cigarettes would be a big moneymaker. Daisy Duck's house of ill-repute could be sold as a package deal. I understand businesses are there to make money but this isn't the may to go about it. For the very same reason Disney Pictures created Miramax to push all the non-kid friendly movies since the name Disney is equated with G & PG flicks.
This thread is fine. Perhaps it should have been in general chat with the title "do you like casinos?". Now if Disney wants to get in the gaming business, you know darn well the name Disney won't be anywhere near it. In fact, they'd start up a whole new corporation.
That's my opinion, but that's what chat boards are all about.
Chad
Disney's name is on Pirates of the Carribean and that is PG-13. Still meant for the too-young-for-the-casino crowd but things are slowly inching their way up...
>>But, besides the irrationality inhered by gambling, the practice is distasteful to many people because they think one should only gain money by earning it. Winning in a game of chance to them is undignified.<<
Well, also gaming is designed to bilk people out of a disproportionate amount of their money without providing an actual product in return. It's sort of a con. We know that Walt was against picking people's pockets and preferred to create some positive entertainment experience with lasting emotional value for the expenditure. So to me, gaming doesn't fit the Walt Disney ethic. It's just a big ROI scheme.
I could see them trying to attch the Disney "hopes, dreams, faith and trust" emotional hook thing to gaming, which could destroy the heart of the entire enterprise through crass commercialism and addiction.
This pretty much sums up the state of the Walt Disney Company as it currently is...
I live in Vegas and I escape the Casino type atmosphere by going to Disneyland!!!
There are things here in Vegas to do with children, such as Rainforest Cafe and Circus Circus Adventuredome, although I must be honest that I always feel uncomfortable taking my children to those places because there is just way too much "adult" entertainment and advertising that goes along with it. I never thought that the escort and topless bar advertisements would bother me until I drove down to the strip to take the kids to dinner at Rainforest and became stuck in traffic behind a truck with a van billboard with a girl bent over in an extremely provocotive pose. I also very much dislike having to walk through the ENTIRE casino at the MGM just to get to the Rainforest. The children are exposed to not only gambling, but drunkeness, smoking, and just about every other "adult" vice. It is right in your face.
The reality of what another poster had said about the themeparks, water parks and such being here to attract families is pretty much gone with only a few left survivors. "What happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas" pretty much sums up the maketing push for Vegas now. It has gone back to it's roots and the fastest growing casinos are the properties catering to the adults. Big nightclubs, adult atmosphere, male and female reviews (topless shows and the like), topless or european adult pools, etc. Even the new multibillion dollar Wynn Resort does not allow Strollers on the property! The Treasure Island lost all of the Pirate Theming and now calls itself the T.I. Even the Pirate Show out in front is a more "adult" Sirens show.
As for Disney getting into gaming...I think that it is more than apparent that they are far from interested. They have pulled their Gallery Store from the Fashion show mall several years ago and within the past couple of years, they pulled their rather large Disney Store from the Forum Shops at Caesars. Gaming just has no correlation to Disney as another post suggested putting Ice Cream on their Pizza, it just does not fit.
My two cents...As I had said when I started the thread, one of the reasons why I love Disneyland so very much is to escape the "adult Disneyland" which is Vegas.
A conventional casino, clearly, would never fit with the Disney trademark. But, Walt Disney never did anything conventional.
The best analogue, perhaps, is the Games of the Boardwalk attraction at D.C.A.
I don't like the way that the the midway games at Paradise Pier were realized, but I can see how they might work with a few revisions. For instance, guaranteeing a prize of some sort (or even tickets that can be redeemed for prizes) with every purchase would help distance the attraction from the con. games at fairs and amusement zones. Also, having more interesting games of skill that have intrinsic entertainment value and emphasizing those elements while deemphasizing the prizes would be more palatable to most guests. Additionally, by making each of the games and the prizes more imaginative, and, thereby, more "Disney", the attraction would be more in keeping with the expectations of guests. The great-looking plush versions of the carrousel's marine life that were once sold in the park immediately come to my mind as possible prizes. Liberal uses of other uniquely Californian beachgoing imagery would make the games, themselves, fit better, too.
“A word may be said in regard to the concept and conduct of Disneyland’s operational tone. Although various sections will have the fun and flavor of a carnival or amusement park, there will be none of the ‘pitches,’ game wheels, sharp practices and devices designed to milk the visitor’s pocketbook.”
Walt Disney
Perfect placement of that quote!
The advantage of casinos to Disney, first and foremost, is in their potential to allow the company's travel destinations to better compete with those that do offer gaming.
The business model of a Disney casino would surely be entirely different from that of the Bugsy Siegel kind.
>>The business model of a Disney casino would surely be entirely different from that of the Bugsy Siegel kind.<<
Lots more of a "magical" facade to hide the con. Where Dreams Come True. The Casino of a Million Dreams. A Dream is a Wish our Slots Make.
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