Would you like a new Disney Hotel with a casino in it at the DLR?

[flynnibus]

funny that you find video games 'a waste of money' but found value in redemption games which are scaled to always pay 'the house' more then you. Just like gambling

But in redemption you are overpaying for what you get in terms of prizes.. so why not just buy the prize outright rather then thinking redemption prizes are 'rewards'?

Play the video game and buy the prize... you'll get the same effect

[dpdilla]

Um, what is the point of this thread? As has been pointed out, there's no possible way this can happen. Gambling is illegal in CA unless it's on tribal land, and there's no tribal land anywhere NEAR the Disneyland Resort. It's a totally moot question. I mean, you might as well ask if they should build a place for the Disney Magic to dock at the DLR.

None of these casinos are on tribal land:

Bicycle Club Casino, Bell Gardens CA
Commerce Casino, Commerce CA
Crystal Park Casino, Crystal City CA
Hawaiian Gardens Casino, Hawaiian Gardens CA
Hollywood Park, Inglewood CA
Hustler Casino, Gardena CA
Lake Elsinore Resort & Casino, Lake Elsinore CA
Normandie Casino & Showroom, Gardena CA
Ocean's Eleven Casino, Oceanside CA

I realize that gambling, like any vice, requires responsibility on the part of the individual or it will completely consume you. I have WATCHED people gamble away everything. Is that what you really want, a kid to come to the gates of Disneyland and then SOMEONE blows all the money and all they have is a Mickey hat and a hotel room? Sorry, I know some people are responsible but having worked with the public I need to go with the LCD because it WILL happen.

this is exactly why it shouldn't happen. unfortunately, these are the inevitable symptoms of a casino. there will be addicts, possibly prostitution, narcotics and occassional people blowing their kid's college fund... at the happiest place on earth.

I see gambling as the next step in that unfortunate direction. Dreams and hopes and wishes will be marketed as aspects of sheer materialism instead of virtues. Why should Walt Disney entertainment go in such a direction - - it's one of the last bastians of thematic refreshment in pop culture, and then mostly by virute of the old films (and Pixar's).

i can already imagine the forced tie-in about a poker dealer with dreams of being a higher ranking supervisor, and the talking dealer chip that helps her make her dreams a reality, inside the happiest casino on earth! i see movie tie-in poker chips in happy meals and a free night's stay in the casino of a million dreams when you open a walmart credit account.

wow, if i was heartless, i'd make a killer marketing exec.

[flynnibus]

there already is prostitution around DLR.. Just go through any of the hotel bars in the area.

[merlinjones]

>>There's a reason I don't gamble, myself. I do consider the activity to be a vice that is neither rational nor healthy. But, I can envision a way to make an approximation of conventional gaming in which I might partake.<<

That's a hypocritical split. It's the appearance and process that matters, not the underlying behavioral reality?

I myself enjoy gambling in Vegas on occaision or bonding with the boys over low stakes poker, but there is no fooling anybody about what it is. And I know not to waste good money on any of it, as these activites are clearly slanted to the house or to pure chance. Attaching a facade that hides what's really going on for a false, more palatable lie, as you propose, is one of the things that bugs me about this idea of Disney casinos. The truth is thrown out the window for a chance to separate suckers from their cash, but it's all made cute and appealing, so as to trick those uncomfortable with gambling (such as yourself) out of their money.

There is a time for fantasy and archetypal messaging (Disneyland) and a time for self-awareness and vice (Vegas). Both are legitimate experiences, but they should not be confused by illusion. That's called a con.

[merlinjones]

Hmmmm.... an explorational hypothetical:

Could "The Year of a MILLION Dreams" and the game show style signage and lures really be a trial balloon or primer campaign to marry Disney images and concepts to gaming and fabulous prizes and luxury before the company explores the regional casino business?

Get people used to free prizes, then they start expecting them or to desiring them to the point of paying for the privilege?

Get people past the idea that gaming doesn't fit the Disney image by giving stuff away no strings attached as a "dream"?

Disney Casinos "Where dreams come true." ???

[FREQDUDE]

Disneyland already had an Indian village, and it didn't work.

[aashee]

[quote=dpdilla;1978753]None of these casinos are on tribal land:

Bicycle Club Casino, Bell Gardens CA
Commerce Casino, Commerce CA
Crystal Park Casino, Crystal City CA
Hawaiian Gardens Casino, Hawaiian Gardens CA
Hollywood Park, Inglewood CA
Hustler Casino, Gardena CA
Lake Elsinore Resort & Casino, Lake Elsinore CA
Normandie Casino & Showroom, Gardena CA
Ocean's Eleven Casino, Oceanside CA
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I see where you are going here but these are not Casinos. These are card clubs. By definition, cards clubs can not have any games where the house has an advantage. The club makes their money from the "drop" or "rake" and just deal the game. I'm not sure if they allow shill or proposition player which is basically someone that works for the house using house money.

The OP was talking true casinos. Slots, blackjack, craps, dancing girls etc. Comparing a card club to a casino is like comparing Disneyland to Dave and Busters.

Remember, card clubs are not legal in most cities in the SO Cal area. It has to be approved to offer such an establishment. Anaheim does NOT allow this type of business to run and I'd bet Disney doesn't want it available in the city either.

Some opinions and some fact. Take it for what you wish.

Chad

[aashee]

there already is prostitution around DLR.. Just go through any of the hotel bars in the area.

But certainly not legal. That is similar to some of the smells that occasionaly come from Haunted Mansion and caves on Tom Sawyer's island.

Chad

[Disneyland Daddy]

No casino...

[flynnibus]

But certainly not legal. That is similar to some of the smells that occasionaly come from Haunted Mansion and caves on Tom Sawyer's island.

Chad

Well bringing in casinos wouldn't bring in LEGAL prostitution either. Just stating that people think it would bring in this 'illicit' stuff. It's already there! There is a convention hall right next door.. that is a huge magnet for 'professionals'.

[PragmaticIdealist]

Hmmmm.... an explorational hypothetical:

Could "The Year of a MILLION Dreams" and the game show style signage and lures really be a trial balloon or primer campaign to marry Disney images and concepts to gaming and fabulous prizes and luxury before the company explores the regional casino business?

Get people used to free prizes, then they start expecting them or to desiring them to the point of paying for the privilege?

Get people past the idea that gaming doesn't fit the Disney image by giving stuff away no strings attached as a "dream"?

Disney Casinos "Where dreams come true." ???

What do people think about a giveaway or sweepstakes, in general?

While no purchase is technically necessary, Disney is depending on these games of chance to lead people to make purchases.

I don't like the way that The Year of a Million Dreams-Disney Dreams Giveaway was planned. However, the Gift Giver Extraordinaire that Disneyland had for the 30th anniversary was a good idea, in my opinion, specifically because everyone who walked through the gates received a gift of some sort and because the giveaway was celebrating the anniversary.

The 35th anniversary giveaway was less effective because not everyone received a gift. However, The Dream Machine shows in Central Plaza helped give the sweepstakes more of a presence that The Year of a Million Dreams surely lacks. (The Dream Machine, itself, looked good, but having a G.M. car occupy Central Plaza for a large part of the day was not as appealing.)

I remember having fun with a McDonald's promotion years ago that involved answering Disney trivia questions. So, in that case, a game of skill had an intrinsic appeal that the prizes merely enhanced. To me, these prizes functioned essentially as premiums. I was more interested in the challenge of the game, itself.

[merlinjones]

>>What do people think about a giveaway or sweepstakes, in general?<<

Tacky, lowbrow marketing. I thought the same thing about GiftGiver Extraordinaire and the car show outside. Tacky.

A sweepstakes to win a trip to Disneyland, fine. There are many poor Cinderellas who hope for that. But giveaways once you are at the Magic Kingdom? Tacky. The real world should be left behind.

With prizes and promises in the park there is an implication that just being at Disneyland is not reward enough - that one needs "more" - a mistake for the vibe/mystique of the park experience, which should be the end-all, be-all.

[SILVERMOUSE21]

Well bringing in casinos wouldn't bring in LEGAL prostitution either. Just stating that people think it would bring in this 'illicit' stuff. It's already there! There is a convention hall right next door.. that is a huge magnet for 'professionals'.

Did I hear Prostitution:/