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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    The bag check is not enough. It's clearly a half-hearted effort at giving the image of being secure, and EVERYONE sees through it.

    What they need to do is make ALL PARK GUESTS - of all ages - empty their pockets, take off their shoes, walk through metal detectors, run all bags through X-ray machines, and then make doubly sure by frisking everyone. Yes, Grandma too. Never know what some sneaky ol' lady will have hidden in her bra.

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    As I've said in the numerous other posts on this subject, either do the so-called "security" checkpoints right, or don't do them at all.

    And I'm for not doing them at all. Under the current plan, they are useless in deterring someone from taking an actual weapon into the Park.

    Sure, they'll catch soda bottles and pocket knives that are not in the pocket... But concealed weapons, no.

    Their warm and fuzzy "see what we're doing to protect you" feeling has long since worn off. Now they are just a nuisance.

    As I've also mentioned before, I have carried my off-duty weapon into the Park numerous times both prior to and after 9-11. (I'm not going to explain it all over again as to why I did, do a search on the subject if you really need to know)

    Even during our first visit after 9-11, which was in October of '01, when supposedly "security" was at its highest, my concealed weapon went un-noticed (of course it was meant to be that way...that's why they call it "concealed") as we strolled into the Park.

    If someone wants to do some sort of attack inside the Park, there are plenty of weapons/items that they can carry in upon their person that will do mass injury or property damage that security (especially the checkpoints) will never notice.

    Sadly, living with the possibility of that sort of thing happening, is just a fact of life these days. Actually, it always has been, but since 9-11, we are all tuned into it more.

    If I had to guess, I'd say that the so-called security checkpoints still remain because some suit at Disney is too afraid to make the call to remove them, out of fear that if once they are removed and something DOES occur (even something as "little" as a stabbing), all heck would break out and Disney would be sued over the removal of them (not that they wouldn't be sued anyway).

    And that (money) would be the bottom line...

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    If you want actual bag check security then go to LAX, SFMM, or any number of schools in the LAUSD. Some of you pointed out that a weapon CAN be snuck in, I'm here to tell you that in many cases it has. On Indy I specifically remember 2 folding knives, 1 switchblade, and 1 extremely nice pocket knife all ending up in the L & F box. In each case we called security. The nice pocket knife was the only one claimed. It was an elderly gentleman from Kentucky, in his 70's, who honestly didn't realize it had slipped out of the belt sheath. Security had already taken the knife so I escorted him over there. He was EXTREMELY apologetic and agreed to let City Hall hold it and he would claim it at the end of the night. I have several relatives from rural areas and I can relate. To some people a knife is a daily used tool, not a weapon, and for those individuals there needs to be a "safeguard" like City Hall to turn it in if they forget.
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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    I do think the bag check security lacks to a certain degree. But they can't check your entire being for 'stuff'.

    In Dec 2001, just after the 'checks' began, I was at the park with friends and went to the turnstyle (since that's where the checks were originally) and I was opening up my jacket and letting them check my pockets, etc.

    A CM said to me "I'd be happy to take you over there (pointing) and strip search ya..." and winked. It was very bizarre...and took me by surprise.....but took it as a compliment.

    But I do think that the bags should be checked a bit more intently....you never know what evil lurks in the depths of a diaper bag....
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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    The security does lack at the check point.

    I knit and bring my knitting into the park a lot. I get asked "do you have scissors?" and because I am spacy I forget and think I don't. Suddenly digging for my chapstick or something and I find a pair of bright red scissors. Now I won't do anything with them other than cut yarn the fact that a CM missed a pair of bright red scissors is kinda' alarming.

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    Simply put -

    As long as the Disney Resort has a bag check - the terrorists have won.

    We have become a nation of cowardly sheep living in fear of shadows. What we really need isn't a bag check, it's a reality check. That a bag check gives us comfort demonstrates how sad and complacent we have become.

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    The checking they do now is fine.

    This is going to sound silly but I'm not worried about bringing a gun or knife into disneyland. I am worried about a bomb or a machine gun. The check they do now most likely would find those "mass killing" items. A gun or knife would kill one or 2 but not a whole section of people.

    It may sound stupid but those are my thoughts. People still need the rights to live their lives without full cavity searches wherever they go.

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMickey View Post
    As I've also mentioned before, I have carried my off-duty weapon into the Park numerous times both prior to and after 9-11. (I'm not going to explain it all over again as to why I did, do a search on the subject if you really need to know)

    Even during our first visit after 9-11, which was in October of '01, when supposedly "security" was at its highest, my concealed weapon went un-noticed (of course it was meant to be that way...that's why they call it "concealed") as we strolled into the Park.

    If someone wants to do some sort of attack inside the Park, there are plenty of weapons/items that they can carry in upon their person that will do mass injury or property damage that security (especially the checkpoints) will never notice.
    Hi PirateMickey, I for one am glad you carry your off-duty weapon with you into Disneyland. Should something nasty start to occur, rather than being another sheep for the slaughter, you could actually intervene and save lives. I would hope other individuals with proper training and permits to carry do the same.

    On the other point in bold, ethnic profiling is what needs to be done at the checkpoints. That isn't politically correct but 100% of the terrorists on 9-11 were Saudi nationals. The vast majority of terrorists arrested in the US and the UK are also of middle eastern descent. The clothing that is worn by this group such as a burka, can easily hide enough C-4 and steel shot to kill hundreds of people in a crowd.

    It's a sad day when it becomes necessary to single out a particular group for additional screening, but the actions of a few have made this necessary.

    Every time I fly I go through an invasive, personal body search. This is because I have 72 metal parts inside my body and cannot go through a metal detector without disturbing my heart beat. (Metal moving through strong magnetic field generates electricity, electricity shocks the heart. Heart freaks out.)

    I know what it's like to be singled out. But in the end it's for the greater good.

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    Quote Originally Posted by aashee View Post
    The checking they do now is fine.

    This is going to sound silly but I'm not worried about bringing a gun or knife into disneyland. I am worried about a bomb or a machine gun. The check they do now most likely would find those "mass killing" items. A gun or knife would kill one or 2 but not a whole section of people.

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    Ever see what just a pound of C-4 can do? Know how small that is?

    How about an H&K MP-5? Or (the more popular) UZI?

    And didn't that guy that shot up the college recently have just a standard 9mm pistol with a large capacity magazine?

    He didn't take out just a few people...

    Any of these above listed items can be easily carried upon a person as they walk right past those so-called "security" checkpoints and can do MAJOR damage to people and property.

    I don't want to sound gruesome (I know, too late), but that is reality.

    And reality is that the checkpoints do nothing to PREVENT a situation as described above.

    Realistically, if someone wants to do harm to DL, they are going to do it. NOTHING can/will stop them. And especially those checkpoints.

    So DL might as well close down those checkpoints and put the CM's to better use.

    The alternative would be something just short of strip-searches at the entry gates. And even that won't guarantee anything... (but it could make things interesting, hehe)

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMickey View Post
    Ever see what just a pound of C-4 can do? Know how small that is?

    How about an H&K MP-5? Or (the more popular) UZI?

    And didn't that guy that shot up the college recently have just a standard 9mm pistol with a large capacity magazine?

    He didn't take out just a few people...

    Any of these above listed items can be easily carried upon a person as they walk right past those so-called "security" checkpoints and can do MAJOR damage to people and property.

    I don't want to sound gruesome (I know, too late), but that is reality.

    And reality is that the checkpoints do nothing to PREVENT a situation as described above.

    Realistically, if someone wants to do harm to DL, they are going to do it. NOTHING can/will stop them. And especially those checkpoints.

    So DL might as well close down those checkpoints and put the CM's to better use.

    The alternative would be something just short of strip-searches at the entry gates. And even that won't guarantee anything...
    I'm no weapons expert but if the thought of a bad guy getting caught deters him from bringing one of those small items into the park, then the checkpoint has done its job.

    I hate the search too and also like you I wish for all of America to be safe. If Disney thinks the check point helps, I'll support it and wait and extra 1-4 minutes.

    Chad

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    I thought the security was to stop people from bringing in cheap churros from outside sources. It must be working, because I see people paying those insane prices at the churro carts in the park.

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    Quote Originally Posted by aashee View Post
    I'm no weapons expert but if the thought of a bad guy getting caught deters him from bringing one of those small items into the park, then the checkpoint has done its job.

    I hate the search too and also like you I wish for all of America to be safe. If Disney thinks the check point helps, I'll support it and wait and extra 1-4 minutes.

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    Well, I would hope so too, but the reality of the situation is that the visual effectiveness of the checkpoints might work ONCE against the naive, spur of the moment guy that has a chip on his shoulder and wants to get his name in the papers. That person might see the checkpoints as a threat to his freedom. And that would be a good thing. Plenty of those type of individuals are on the street right now in every shape, color and size.

    But that would be the guy that you said that you weren't too concerned about. The guy that brings in a gun or a knife and "only" takes out a few people.

    The "planned attack" person (or terrorist, for lack of a better term) will plan out his attack before-hand. He will enter the area that he plans to attack first, with nothing on him (weapons), and check into what type of things he will encounter. Security personnel, sniffing dogs, checkpoints, camera's, thoroughness of searches, etc...

    You know..."Casing" the joint.

    They have even been known to wear the same clothing, but rather than actual weapons under their coat/clothing, they'll put another bulky item under there just to see if anyone will notice it and ask about it. Or even about their clothing in general. Will it attract attention to themselves?

    Those type of criminals will not be fooled by DL's "security" checkpoints. They'll know it inside and out by the time that they do their thing.



    And I've never based my feelings due to the wait to get through the checkpoints. Sure, I'd rather just be able to walk right up to the entry gates, but waiting is part of life. Especially at DL.

    My issue has been about the reasoning that they are there.

    They aren't fooling anyone. Well, almost no-one.

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    Security checks at parks and airports, and other places does nothing to prevent people from nafarious plots.

    I went to a concert recently, and security went through my wifes camera bag with a fine tooth comb, while I saw many people with Leatherman's and other holstered knifes sneek though, (my wife and myself included), even though their was a big sign proclaiming NO WEAPONS!!

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    There seem to be quite a few misapprehensions in this thread.

    For several decades, Disneyland has had procedures in place to check the bags of guests for bombs, but only when a specific threat was identified did Disney actually put those procedures into practice.

    After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Disney simply decided to put the bag checks into effect on a regular basis.

    The problem that I have with the security checkpoints is that the guest areas now extend beyond the gates of The Magic Kingdom, so Disney should rightfully be controlling the entire property, including all parts of the Outer Lobby, by positioning the checkpoints at the various entrances to the premises.

    I'd prefer to pass through the checkpoints as soon as I arrive on the property, anyway.

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    Re: Do you feel the Disneyland Bag Check Security needs to be bumped up!

    Time for another security check-point thread! Fun! Let me go get some popcorn.




    In all seriousness, the security checkpoints aren't there to actually catch anything. If they do, then that's good, but really they're there to make the guests feel safe. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - the bag checks are simply a placebo for the American public who consumes a regular diet of fear, fed to them by the Administration and news media.

    If you honestly think that the bag check is there to protect you things that may harm you, then Disney has achieved its goal of making you believe they're looking out for you. They've achieved their goal of making you feel like measures have been taken to ensure your saftey.

    Just forget about not getting pat-down, or going through metal detectors. This security check isn't really there for anything like that, it's just here to reassure you that you're safe.

    There aren't many people who are going to go into the park with the intent on hurting people. Why would anybody spend $63 to do that?

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