Index for "Long-Forgotten" HM Thread

[HBG2]

Okay, I'm sitting down to work on the index. As for the DEAD END sign, fwiw, it wasn't there when the HM first opened, but it was added pretty early on, like within the first month or two, I'd say. Before the end of 1969, anyway.

[HMfanatic]

On another note involving the exit from our doombuggy - do you still hear the alternating man's/woman's voice instructing us how to exit from our vehicle? I always thought those two pretty much killed the ambiance of the experience just then with those matter of fact line readings and always wondered why it wasn't done by the Ghost Host himself like the WDW version...

[HBG2]

Up to page 109, post 1304. Should finish this thing tomorrow. The "Long-Forgotten" thread has sunk to page 6, as is inevitable, and of course it will continue to sink, now that it's no longer possible to post, but get this: it's added close to 2000 more views since it closed. I'm as surprised as anyone.

My plan is to put the index into a separate post, then link it and write:

"A subject index for this thread has been composed in order to make it more usable as a reference, now that it is archived: http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxwhatever"

Then maybe we can persuade the mods add that one brief note to the first post of The Thread, so it will have the link to the index right there at the beginning.

[BassBone]

Originally Posted by HMfanatic

On another note involving the exit from our doombuggy - do you still hear the alternating man's/woman's voice instructing us how to exit from our vehicle? I always thought those two pretty much killed the ambiance of the experience just then with those matter of fact line readings and always wondered why it wasn't done by the Ghost Host himself like the WDW version...

Yes you do, and it bugs me, especially since the CM standing there can say it, too.

[GRD999]

You know... What I never understood about them removing the exit sign, was why not just add it to the top of the up ramp before you turn to go outside? Because afterall, we still aren't in the living world. There are the ghostly singing voices, the ghostly laugh and Little Leota still before we actually exit. Made sense to me anyway....

[HBG2]

Okay, gang, it's done! Now, since I'm going to just put it into a post, it can be edited. So if anyone finds mistakes or has suggestions, let me know. I didn't bother indexing names of Imagineers, for the most part, or names of posters, since the search engine obviously works just fine for those. I tried to think in terms of someone actually looking up a topic for info, so I pretty much ignored "I like pop-ups"...."I don't, I think they're cheesy" types of conversation. I also ignored all the speculation about upcoming WDW changes, since no one will care anymore about that in another couple of months. I'm putting it into the next post, and will ask the mods to add a link to it at the beginning of the Thread.

[HBG2]

This is a Subject Index for the "Long-Forgotten Haunted Mansion effect" thread (Long-forgotten Haunted Mansion Effect?). Hopefully, it will make the thread more usable for HM fans who wish to consult it, now that it is closed and archived. The numbers following each subject refer to post numbers, not page numbers.

25th Anniversary 1957, 1959, 1974, 1978-1980
999 Ghosts? 1356, 1382, 1592-1594
Anderson, Ken (see "Ken Anderson's contributions")
Appearance/Age/Color of Ghosts 301-302, 1985-1988
Arm-holding-drink in Graveyard 1176-1178, 1254, 1260, 1899
April/December (see "Changing Portraits")
Attic, history 59, 96, 243, 244, 728, 1759
Attic, how the portrait effects work 641-647
Attic, props 245-251, 256, 272, 488-492, 629, 704, 719, 736-737, 769, 796, 1168
Aunt Lucretia (see "Eye-follow-you Busts")
Ballroom (Structure, Architecture, etc.)112-114, 117-119, 123, 1406, 1757-1758
Ballroom “Pepper’s Ghost” effect 5-8, 1414
Ballroom Dancers 230, 234, 770, 1396
Banshees 386-397, 402, 407, 410-412
Beating Heart (old Brides) 728, 1705, 1712, 1759
Bicycle Ghosts 550, 552, 1648-1649
Birthday or “Deathday” in Ballroom? 786-790
Bride (see "Beating Heart" and "Constance")
Caretaker and Dog 238, 243, 507, 514, 721-722, 855, 863, 1211-1213
Cast Members 513-517, 688-691, 1275
Changing Portrait Hall, Windows and Doors 1722, 1729-1730, 1860-1866
Changing Portraits (especially April/December) 47-56, 64, 108, 650, 1397, 1407, 1724-1727
Clock, Shadow Hand 1503, 1507
Clock, 13-hour 1558
Clutch Cargo 335-336
Coffin Man 501-504, 512
Cold Air effect 424-429, 536, 1520
Comics, Haunted Mansion 185-190, 1365, 1377-1380
Concept art 312, 314, 317, 333, 346, 454, 457, 464-465, 498, 576, 585-588, 685, 740, 744, 817, 834-843, 909-911, 987, 1272, 1277, 1606, 1648, 1658, 1662, 1673, 1690, 1702, 1708, 1757-1758, 1787, 1993
Constance (new bride), actresses who play (see "Kat Cressida and Julia Lee")
Constance (new bride) controversy/backstory 74-75, 708-716, 937
Constance (new bride) effect 22, 25, 140-141, 323
Constance’s husbands (especially George) (for the portrait effect, see "Attic, how the portrait effects work") 78-84, 243, 256, 482, 604-610, 614, 921-922, 934, 948
Corridor of Doors portraits 885, 889, 891, 1330-1332
Corridor of Doors wallpaper 743, 745-755, 1687
Corridor of Doors, missing monologue 64, 66, 68, 1294, 1983
Corridor of Doors, show sequence 1597, 1603-1605
Crypt Shroud Ghost in Graveyard 1326
Cupola (turret on top of HM) 352-353, 1096
"Dead End” sign/Exit signs 1024, 1089-1090, 1393
Disneyland HM vs. WDW HM 1297-1299, 1892-1896
Duelists (Ballroom) 157, 180-181, 193-200, 203-209, 833
Duncan, Sandy: DL Special, HM skit 1492, 1496, 1508-1511
Ectoplasm/Face effect (Séance Room) 116, 830-832, 885-887, 1155
Epitaphs 582, 594-596, 1871, 1973
Eyes-follow-you Busts (Aunt Lucretia) 1367
Fastpass Area 1850-1859
Forced Perspective in the HM? 543-547, 559
Frogs 1277
Front Gate 1304, 1309
Ghost Animals 1345-1366, 1372
Ghost Host Spiel (see also "Corridor of Doors, missing monologue") 1032 (load area), 1294, 1448, 1452 (CoD), 1448, 1452, 1461, 1464 (stretchroom) 1799
Ghost Stories, “real” 637, 641, 1549, 1551
Gobos (Shadow effects) 762, 1503, 1507, 1758
Graveyard soundtrack/vocalists 99, 382, 1812-1827
Grim Grinning Ghost lyrics 1698-1701
Gus (Hitchhiking Ghost/Prisoner) 814, 1183, 1188, 1193, 1302-1303, 1313
Hairstyles, changing, on ghosts 797-801
Hatbox Ghost, comeback? 86-88, 111, 310, 421-422
Hatbox Ghost, history 19-21, 65-66, 200-201, 236, 414-417, 601, 604-613, 949, 957, 1335-1338
Hatbox Ghost, pictures 1632, 1656, 1658
Haunted House/Spirit-Possessed Buildings, or "Why does it look that way?" 129-133, 1114
Haunted Mansion in Frontierland? 1767, 1775-1776, 1961-1972
Haunted Mansion photography in general: 1511, 1767, 1771, 1892, 1956; opening day shots? 1244-1250;front gate: 1304, 1309; Pana-vue slides: 1180, 1184, 1251; postcards: 1613, 1637; View-master: 1761-1764; Osmonds TV special: 1406, 1428, 1640
Haunted Mansion press clippings, articles 381, 383, 385, 1515, 1554, 1663, 1750, 1767, 1979
Haunted Mansion storyline, or lack thereof (see also "Constance," "Movie," "Sea-Captain") 210-212
Hearse Tea-Party (graveyard) 1251, 1254, 1256, 1313, 1329, 1332, 1739, 1899
Hearses in the HM 1073-1076
Hercules (HM tribute) 340
Hidden Faces 1086, 1092, 1109, 1111-1113, 1152, 1627
Hitchhiking Ghosts, mirror effect 1, 497, 1413, 1576, 1877-1891
Hitchhiking Ghosts, old effect/new effects (proposed) 810, 849, 996-1004, 1872-1873, 1942-1943
Hitchhiking Ghosts, old look/new look 845, 866-868, 878, 1005-1008, 1180, 1187, 1272
Hitchhiking Ghosts, were they “last-minute” additions? No! 494
Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte (movie) 971-977
Ghost Host/Hanging Man/Hatchet Man 891-902, 913, 922-926
Indian Burial Ground, is the WDW HM built on it? 1324
Jean Lafitte (proposed “mega-theme”) 281-300, 303-307, 365, 731, 963-965
Jimmy Macdonald 1134, 1141, 1148
Kat Cressida/Julia Lee (actresses playing Constance) 265-268, 891, 932-933, 935, 1018, 1473
Ken Anderson’s contributions 518, 523, 527-535, 538, 1413, 1673
Knight, live actor 14-16, 27, 29, 33, 39, 1739
Knight/Executioner/Gus scene (graveyard) 209, 1193, 1662, 1828
Little Leota 561
Load Area (“Limbo”) 45-46, 418, 440-441, 451-453, 1560, 1563-1572
Madame Leota 168, 727, 1146, 1151, 1156, 1159, 1184, 1205, 1282, 1456, 1459, 1779-1785
Madame Leota’s Spell Book 1037, 1225, 1229, 1309
Movie, Haunted Mansion 447, 454, 464-465
Mummy Scene (graveyard) 1217-1224, 1259, 1365-1366
Museum of the Weird 218, 987, 1687, 1805, 1925, 1940, 1947
Music, manner of use in the HM 652-687, 1053, 1698
Music, Sheet, at WDW piano scene 1945-1956
Names of Ghosts, official/unofficial 549, 563-564, 597, 722-723, 730, 1015-1016, 1029-1031, 1113
One-eyed Black Cat 1714-1715, 1731-1734, 1742, 1748-1750
Opening Date: Aug 9, 1969? No! 397, 1515-1519, 1523
Organist/Organ (Ballroom) 275, 278, 1489-1491, 1640, 1658, 1674, 1739, 1757-1758, 1761-1762
Osmonds TV special (see "Haunted Mansion photography")
Pet Cemetery (two of them) 209, 1487, 1846, 1908-1917, 1938, 1940
Phantom Five (graveyard musicians) 1526, 1577-1578, 1680, 1751, 1761
Phantom Manor 210, 433-434, 1405, 1410, 1627, 1941, 1947
Phantom/Shadow Keyboardists 31-32, 692-695, 707, 1162
Phineas Pock 573, 722, 1497-1498
Pickwick (chandelier ghost) 549, 553, 556-558, 561
Poe, Edgar Allan 738, 883
Pop-ups/Blast-ups 65, 67, 68, 149-156, 160-161, 154-167, 170, 172-179, 1169-1171, 1176, 1202, 1265, 1278-1281, 1337-1338, 1398, 1407
Purple Shroud Ghost (Séance Room) 34, 36, 60, 1326-1327
Queue Graveyard 1837-1847, 1871, 1973
Raven 424, 907, 908, 943
Re-used Heads in the HM? 870-875, 1251, 1254-1256, 1641, 1651
Scrims 474-476
Sea Captain (HM backstory) 518, 568-571, 576, 579, 800, 982-984, 1320
Séance Room, furnishings and arrangement (see also “Spirit Cabinets”) 1205, 1282, 1292, 1702
Singing Busts 563-564, 597, 722, 1787
“Sinister 11” (WDW HM portraits) 458, 742, 1580, 1723
Snow White’s Scary Adventures and the HM 721, 762, 1507, 1947
Song Lyrics (see also “Grim Grinning Ghosts”) 100, 121-122, 124-126
Speed of the Ride 1025, 1293, 1429, 1439, 1444, 1493, 1622-1624, 1681-1683, 1774-1775
Spiders 435-436, 1560, 1563-1572
SpiderWeb Man (WDW HM’s “Man in the Web”) 23, 238, 243, 255, 603
Spirit Cabinets 1153-1154
Stars (in graveyard sky) 183-184
“Story and Song of the Haunted Mansion” record album 414-418, 424, 790, 926, 1133, 1979
Stretchroom Portraits (especially the Widow) 104-107, 621-628, 1529-1546, 1552
Surrell, Jason, The Haunted Mansion (book) 597-603, 730, 1322
“Swinging Wake” 358-364, 372-377
Tokyo Haunted Mansion 577-578, 588, 590-596, 765, 1326-1327
Tombstone History and Design 1385-1395
Trees, Graveyard 560, 714-718, 721, 777-785
Unused Concepts 339, 430, 438, 579, 829, 907, 1053, 1398, 1520, 1606, 1621
Walt’s input to the HM 211, 215, 217, 220
“Why the Haunted Mansion Matters” 1992
Wilde, Oscar 738
Witch of Walpurgis (WDW portrait) 457, 460-463, 987, 990, 1954
Wraiths in Ballroom and on Scrims in Graveyard 1511-1514

[HBG2]

Oh, it's okay to post on this thread. Hopefully, there will be a link to that one post only. We should probably start a new thread though, with a less clunky title.

[BellhopPrincess]

This makes me want to go back and reread The Thread!!

[HBG2]

It's been done! (Thanks, IndianaJenn)
The first post of The Thread now has a link to the index above.

It was a lot of fun going through it again. Amazing how much info poured into that thing. The "Concept Art," "Haunted Mansion photography," and "Unused Concepts" entries in the index point to particularly enjoyable aspects.


P.S. I've now linked the Index to The Thread also, so if you're at the Index, you don't have to go searching for The Thread as it sinks further down the list.

[aashee]

Thanks for all of your hard work HBG. Your love and passion for the Haunted Mansion benefits us all.

Chad

[BassBone]

Originally Posted by GRD999

You know... What I never understood about them removing the exit sign, was why not just add it to the top of the up ramp before you turn to go outside? Because afterall, we still aren't in the living world. There are the ghostly singing voices, the ghostly laugh and Little Leota still before we actually exit. Made sense to me anyway....

The sign is there to get you to step out of your doombuggy, I think. Otherwise folks might just sit there until it went back around to the loading bay.

[HBG2]

Originally Posted by aashee

Thanks for all of your hard work HBG. Your love and passion for the Haunted Mansion benefits us all.

Chad

Thanks, Chad. It was a lot of work, but it was fun to revisit all that material.

Originally Posted by BassBone

The sign is there to get you to step out of your doombuggy, I think. Otherwise folks might just sit there until it went back around to the loading bay.

The Bone is right, I think. You've got the sign, then the GH saying he will lift the safety bar, and you've got the inelegant additions to the spiel about stepping out to the left, and you've got a CM right there. When the HM first opened, my recollection is that you had the GH's spiel and the CM, and that was it. There must have been some confused folks, folks not sure if this was just a haunted house trick, folks not paying sufficient attention, etc. Probably there were folks naively thinking the ride should stop before they get out, like any normal ride. The moving conveyor belt thing was still a weird concept to a few guests, and they may have been hesitant about stepping out of a moving vehicle.

[nojarama]

Thanks for organizing & encouraging such an elaborate & fabulous index of the thread. Hours of info, piccies & conversation for all of us on our favorite subject!

[HBG2]

This is a clumsy screen-grab of the Doombuggies.com thread that is linked in the first post of the whole "Long-Forgotten" thread. I've created this duplicate because the EZboard format at DB.com will inevitably result in the original thread disappearing.