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    Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    Why dont they do something with the loading area in the HM. It seems so plain with the black background. I know they dress the area up for HMH but I think they could do something pretty cool for the regular show as well.
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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    The background is not black, it shows a swamp setting.

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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    I guess they messed it up for safety. Originally it was very dark with a boundless mist. With the extra lighting, you can see the dimensions of the room, so I agree, it should get some sort of super expensive and dramatic treatment.

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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    Quote Originally Posted by The Disneylander View Post
    The background is not black, it shows a swamp setting.

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    Swamp setting? doesnt look like any swamp I've ever seen. If thats what its supposed to be then somebody screwed up.

    I guess they messed it up for safety
    Yeah I guess your right, I forgot about all the safety stuff they did. It's funny I have been riding HM since I was a kid but I don't even remember the loading area, I only remember it's current state.

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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    Perhaps a new scene? Hmmm.


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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    The loading area doesn't bother me all that much, but it always struck me as one of the less effective areas of the ride. They need to take the loading area in one of two possible directions:

    1. Very dark, like it originally was, with the theming being a complete absence of theming. You should feel like you're in a cold black void, with giant cobwebs crisscrossing the blankness.
    2. Lighter than it currently is, with explicit theming that gives the area some context. Is it part of the house? Is it a supernatural limbo? Is it a dark swamp behind the house? If the lights are going to be bright enough to show the area for what it really is, it needs to be properly themed.

    Some concept art shows the theming of the portrait hall gradually dissolving as you enter a dimly lit loading area, which almost looks as if it's a graveyard outside. It's a very weird meld of the two themes--inside and outside--that looks strangely effective.


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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    Maybe they can make it like the library from WDW

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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    Well, there used to be the big metal spiderweb that hung at the load area, but CM's kept hurting themselves on it.
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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    Some concept art shows the theming of the portrait hall gradually dissolving as you enter a dimly lit loading area, which almost looks as if it's a graveyard outside. It's a very weird meld of the two themes--inside and outside--that looks strangely effective.
    That sounds pretty creepy. The only thing I remember about HM when I was a kid was being really scared in this area maybe thats why. It doesnt even phase my daughter even when she was 3 and 4 as it stands now.

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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    every since i first went on HMH, i've been think that there is a lot of potential in that space that's totally neglected. it kinda feels like you're walking through someone's house while they remodel and the lights are off and there's nothing to look at. there's no rhyme or reason for that black wall.

    i don't think it would be a swamp since i can't think of any house being built such that one passes from a portrait gallery through a swamp to a hallway.

    i was thinking they could make it look like a grand staircase, from which constance greets you, but i can already imagine the conniption fit the old timers would have with that idea, plus it doesn't really make sense with the architecture. maybe it could just be a myriad of pictures that change with the lightning? i'm thinking something along the lines of the portrait gallery at hogwarts, but i know the spirits don't fully materialize until we pass through the seance room.

    i'll do more brainstorming.




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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    Quote Originally Posted by dpdilla View Post
    every since i first went on HMH, i've been think that there is a lot of potential in that space that's totally neglected. it kinda feels like you're walking through someone's house while they remodel and the lights are off and there's nothing to look at. there's no rhyme or reason for that black wall.

    i don't think it would be a swamp since i can't think of any house being built such that one passes from a portrait gallery through a swamp to a hallway.

    i was thinking they could make it look like a grand staircase, from which constance greets you, but i can already imagine the conniption fit the old timers would have with that idea, plus it doesn't really make sense with the architecture. maybe it could just be a myriad of pictures that change with the lightning? i'm thinking something along the lines of the portrait gallery at hogwarts, but i know the spirits don't fully materialize until we pass through the seance room.

    i'll do more brainstorming.
    Phantom Manor at Disneyland Paris uses a 1 floor version of Disneyland's layout. When you exit their stretcing room, you walk down a hallway with changing portraits on both sides. At the end where the hall turns right, you see a portrait of the beautiful Bride who lives in that manor. You turn the corner to the loading area and it looks like a finished part of the house (the two busts that watch you are each in a niche on the wall). On the other side of the Doom Bugies is the grand staircase. You have a window and you see there's lightning (nice lighting effects here).

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    there's no rhyme or reason for that black wall.
    Well, there is...but it's a practical one, not a thematic one. That wall hides the Disneyland Railroad from your eyes--and methinks that having it run through there every few minutes would be quite disturbing to the theming.

    i don't think it would be a swamp since i can't think of any house being built such that one passes from a portrait gallery through a swamp to a hallway.
    You're right, of course, but I can't help pointing out that if you think too much about the configuration of the scenes in the ride, it doesn't make any sense at all. I would know...I've built the place in 3D and tried to figure out a real-world configuration of the different areas of the ride that would fit inside a real house. Obsess much? Me? Nah.

    Anyway, you enter the house at the corner, not the front doors...you enter a small foyer that sports an atypical lack of stairs...you enter a rare octagonal gallery with no doors or windows...you walk along a second-floor hallway, despite the fact you never went upwards...you enter a dark area with no explicit theming...then you go up a flight of stairs, which would put us in the third story now. We go through another long hallway that has doors on both sides, though we must be close to the edge of the house because there's a conservatory that looks out into the yard...we enter a seance room and then a ballroom, where our third-story position turns out to only account for half the house's height...and then we enter an attic without going up any stairs or dumbwaiters or anything...followed by a random hill that leads down from a balcony outside the attic...and then we enter a huge crypt complex that is apparently a multilevel structure with openings at both ends and a ramp! If you analyze things too much (my specialty!), the logic of the mansion breaks down.

    Don't get me wrong--I'm NOT criticizing the mansion. In fact, it's amazing that the mansion works so well and so cohesively, considering how illogical it can be at times. My original point was just to say, "Well...could a little bit more illogic really be such a bad thing? Maybe you really could make this area a swamp without bothering many people."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Datameister View Post
    Well, there is...but it's a practical one, not a thematic one. That wall hides the Disneyland Railroad from your eyes--and methinks that having it run through there every few minutes would be quite disturbing to the theming.



    You're right, of course, but I can't help pointing out that if you think too much about the configuration of the scenes in the ride, it doesn't make any sense at all. I would know...I've built the place in 3D and tried to figure out a real-world configuration of the different areas of the ride that would fit inside a real house. Obsess much? Me? Nah.

    Anyway, you enter the house at the corner, not the front doors...you enter a small foyer that sports an atypical lack of stairs...you enter a rare octagonal gallery with no doors or windows...you walk along a second-floor hallway, despite the fact you never went upwards...you enter a dark area with no explicit theming...then you go up a flight of stairs, which would put us in the third story now. We go through another long hallway that has doors on both sides, though we must be close to the edge of the house because there's a conservatory that looks out into the yard...we enter a seance room and then a ballroom, where our third-story position turns out to only account for half the house's height...and then we enter an attic without going up any stairs or dumbwaiters or anything...followed by a random hill that leads down from a balcony outside the attic...and then we enter a huge crypt complex that is apparently a multilevel structure with openings at both ends and a ramp! If you analyze things too much (my specialty!), the logic of the mansion breaks down.

    Don't get me wrong--I'm NOT criticizing the mansion. In fact, it's amazing that the mansion works so well and so cohesively, considering how illogical it can be at times. My original point was just to say, "Well...could a little bit more illogic really be such a bad thing? Maybe you really could make this area a swamp without bothering many people."
    I agree that this area truly does need something. Not even anything extravagant. Just a tiny something. I'll brainstorm as well.

    As for your post, Data..., illogical things are what make the HM timeless. What seems illogical to us mere mortals would be perfectly natural to spirits and ghosts on The Other Side. I mean, really, how logical is it to be able to walk through walls, fly through the air without wings, and have tombstones bobbing up and down? Not very in the mortal world. But to ghosts (at least in Disneyland) it's an everyday occurance! Very logical to me. (And yes, I know that's what you were driving at. I just wanted to expand on it a bit.)

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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    Quote Originally Posted by The Disneylander View Post
    The background is not black, it shows a swamp setting.

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    It's not a swamp at all. From The Haunted Mansion: From the Magic Kingdom to the Movies book, describing the Load Area (Limbo):
    "Guests proceed into a 'limbo of boundless mist and decay,' at least according to The Story and Song from The Haunted Mansion, a record album released in 1969."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datameister View Post
    The loading area doesn't bother me all that much, but it always struck me as one of the less effective areas of the ride. They need to take the loading area in one of two possible directions:

    1. Very dark, like it originally was, with the theming being a complete absence of theming. You should feel like you're in a cold black void, with giant cobwebs crisscrossing the blankness.
    2. Lighter than it currently is, with explicit theming that gives the area some context. Is it part of the house? Is it a supernatural limbo? Is it a dark swamp behind the house? If the lights are going to be bright enough to show the area for what it really is, it needs to be properly themed.

    Some concept art shows the theming of the portrait hall gradually dissolving as you enter a dimly lit loading area, which almost looks as if it's a graveyard outside. It's a very weird meld of the two themes--inside and outside--that looks strangely effective.
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    Yes, the Load Area, which is also referred to as "Limbo," is a supernatural limbo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Datameister View Post
    you walk along a second-floor hallway, despite the fact you never went upwards...
    Actually, I don't believe it's ever implied that you're on the second level of the Mansion after entering the Hallway to Limbo. As you look outside, you see can see a tree and rain. And during Haunted Mansion Holiday, you can see some Halloween Town residents, at ground level. You don't go to a second level of the Mansion until you board your Doom Buggy and ascend the staircase.

    Additionally, I think the fact that the Mansion's layout is impossible for a real house is acutally a touch of genius. It makes the place even more mysterious, even more supernatural. The fact that the rooms you pass through and the route you take on your tour are in no way possible for the house you just entered makes the haunted/supernatural concept seem that much more plausible, if you ask me.

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    Re: Haunted Mansion Loading Area

    Why don't they put somthing like what they have at Phantom Manor where its a Grand Staircase?


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