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    Quote Originally Posted by olegc
    IF you wanted the third gate to have a lot of great attractions - that means a lot of show buildings. AND - since it's actual far away from the DLR Backlot - you would need space to put maintenance and workman areas to help to maintain the park, as well as costuming, etc. So how do you propose to do that? Buy up more land? If so - that costs more $$ and takes away from the overall budget of the third gate.

    Remember - DCA did not require huge amounts of backlot space since they had Disneyland's accessible via side roads, etc. You can't make that same consideration for the third gate - so the size for an actual theme park - that everyone wants with all of the really cool rides and attractions that we did not get in the first place with DCA - would be somewhere between Disneyland+Backlot and DCA.

    what if its a water park? a disney themed water park would probably NOT take up that much room and that would create plenty of space for a backlot area. good idea? bad idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olegc
    IF you wanted the third gate to have a lot of great attractions - that means a lot of show buildings. AND - since it's actual far away from the DLR Backlot - you would need space to put maintenance and workman areas to help to maintain the park, as well as costuming, etc. So how do you propose to do that? Buy up more land? If so - that costs more $$ and takes away from the overall budget of the third gate.

    Remember - DCA did not require huge amounts of backlot space since they had Disneyland's accessible via side roads, etc. You can't make that same consideration for the third gate - so the size for an actual theme park - that everyone wants with all of the really cool rides and attractions that we did not get in the first place with DCA - would be somewhere between Disneyland+Backlot and DCA.
    that's very true

    thats why in this edited edition of the plans I made brief mention that the blue area in Zone 3. might be best served as a backstage area

    I think it's also pretty much a given that there would be a backstage roadway and services area around were those houses are if they can't be bought out and encorperated into the park

    your right on there being lots of indoor rides, not just because I want it to be impressive but it's also so close to residential areas that you wouldn't want a ton of rides that make load noises and have people screaming (which would be heard all to easily in the urban neighborhoods)

    that also rules out a fireworks show (I suppose it will be mitigated to "maybe" another fireworks show)

    however specifics about the park are for another thread as it covers other ideas I have about the land (most of what this idea is realted into what would need to happen to prepare for making good use of that land)



    I am against using this land for a water park, this is mostly because I don't believe a water park will do much for the resort as far as increasing the length of peoples stay, this land is too much and too valuable to throw away with a water park

    if Disney really wants to build a water park I would suggest doing some sort of beach themed water park out behind the paradise pier hotel (yes I think that they could develope that lot without too many proglems, they could also add another parking garage back there if it was REALLY necessary)

    I would also recommend that Disney consider building such a park indoors simply so they can keep the temperature nice and warm inside (water parks feel the best in hot weather and California is just mild most of the time, you'd want this water park to be functional pretty much the entire year)

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    Quote Originally Posted by swagdaddy
    They shouldn't do anything till the 2nd gate is fixed and working correctly. For me, that is the bottom line.

    Third park would be great. I'd like the WESTCOT idea coming back to light. But until the day comes when DCA is not a blight on the Disneyland property, they should just work with what they have in both parks.
    well my feeling is that while they shouldn't start building the third gate until DCA is doing well

    they should however still work at setting up for development of this land, they should own those resorts design that second entry (and LA expansion) but the final steps would be construction of a new parking garage, rerouting the monerail tracks and actual construction of the third gate park (so basicaly DCA wouldn't have a monerail stop until just before the third gate opens)

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    Oh so we're discussing ACTUALL, PHYSICALL gates as opposed to wether or not the space on the other side of the gate deserves to be called a theme park?

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    (I was making a jab at DCA in my original post.)

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    DCA is the second gate

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    Quote Originally Posted by olegc
    IF you wanted the third gate to have a lot of great attractions - that means a lot of show buildings. AND - since it's actual far away from the DLR Backlot - you would need space to put maintenance and workman areas to help to maintain the park, as well as costuming, etc. So how do you propose to do that? Buy up more land? If so - that costs more $$ and takes away from the overall budget of the third gate.

    Remember - DCA did not require huge amounts of backlot space since they had Disneyland's accessible via side roads, etc. You can't make that same consideration for the third gate - so the size for an actual theme park - that everyone wants with all of the really cool rides and attractions that we did not get in the first place with DCA - would be somewhere between Disneyland+Backlot and DCA.
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    The utilidors could work for the third park... however it would be quite expensive,
    (esp. with upgrading the old design to be earthquake resistant...)

    And how would you get the park to look notrmal and not being on the second story... and you still need service roads around the park.. MK does at WDW... I seen them when i performed 2 years ago....

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    Exclamation New Updated Map

    Here is an overlay I designed over Jspider's intial image of the Anaheim area so people can get a sense of direction and location.



    The labels are fairly clear as to what area we are discussing so use the colors to identify what you want to focus on.

    I agree with the intial lay out on this posts. The land bridges are brilliant.

    *The light blue areas obviously reflect the East side of both current parks.
    *Dark blue is the strongest location for a 3rd gate
    *Orange is currently parking or areas preposed for parking.
    *Green areas indicate large plots of land already owned and refurbished to Disney standards and will most likely stay.
    *Red are zoned residential
    *Yellow areas represent land which is vital to purchase and control for the growth and expansion of the resort
    *The Grey area on the south west corner represents all those hotels which seem to be doing ok but the photo I am using did not show the full plot of land and I reserve the right for exploration but lack speculation.

    Based on this criteria I would like to reopen the subject on this thread for possibly ideas for how to bring about the age of a 3 gate park system in Anaheim, California.







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    A 3rd gate is plausible but before that I would like to see: More Attractions at DCA...make DCA a full-day theme park instead of a 5 hour one and a new Disney-owned resort hotel.

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    3rd gate is inevitable Mr. Cool, we are simply discussing possibilities before something very poor is hashed out without consideration. I agree DCA will need work, a 3rd gate is easily a decade away or more but it takes that long to get a new park off the ground that is well designed and ready to go.

    This is applicable a thread as new ride ideas like Western Expeditions and others.







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    I just hope it won't be a water park ... no offense to water park fans, just not my cup of tea.

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    I whole heartily agree- water parks, gold courses and animal themed parks won't fit the bill---I have an idea and I will share it some point if this thread generates enough interest, wink wink-Tom







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    Why not use #1 in the above illustration to move TDA and back lot complexes opening up DL more. Tunnel under Harbor for maintenance vehicle access, costuming etc. Build an Employee parking garage with tram service under Harbor to a facilities near the parks.

    #2 could be redeveloped as a golf course and day spa area for exisiting hotels. If Disney wants to be a true resort, I think a golf course and spa facilities are necessary. Granted, I am not sure if there is a spa facility in existance already, but something bigger and more serene would be nice.

    #3 Leave blank until DCA is built up

    #4 Expand into whats left of the old parking lot

    On a side note, build a twin parking structure next to Mickey and Friends, perhaps not quite as long before building into Timon. Is DTD really all that popular to build a phase 2? I'd rather see a Pleasure Island type thing instead.
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    My suggestion is similar to move some of the maintance building and stupid crap off sight and build a new CM center not central to any of the 3 parks.

    In as much I still think they should build a 3rd gate. I think there is room for another cool park back on that site. I keep envisioning an entrance like a huge Mickey face sitting up right in the ground. You would enter through the open smile of Mickey---into the the very heart of a new Disney park...(see also the massive gates as seen in Robots as an example)







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    I kind of wonder if there are cultures that may have issues entering into anything via the mouth of a mouse. As did the MGM Casino here in Vegas with Asian culture I believe entering a building through the mouth of a lion. Hence the remodel of the front area of the MGM.
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    Is the green area really zoned for an anihiem shopping center?

    seems a little redundant if you ask me, the resort is shopping enough and with DTD so close by, but who knows if Anhiem has that in mind so be it

    as far as parking lots go I think that building a parking structure on the side I'm recommending is probably the best thing to do, mostly because when you add a third park along with more resort facilities then your looking at almost doubling what parking there is now (since the Timon lot will now be history) I'm not sure what kind of effect it would have on the local highway system so multiple Disneyland exits might be prime

    tray for having a Disneyland/DCA exit and then a DCA/(whatever the third gate is) exit, or perhaps just having one exit for Disneyland and the other for DCA/Third gate (assuming that they won't be proven and therefore will be less popular)

    as far as Spa's and those kind of resort enhancements go I think Disneyland needs to prioritize this

    the Western side of the park should be were you keep all your deluxe resort features

    behind the Paridise pier hotel "might" be a good place to put a small waterpark OR they could put in their spa's and golf coarses here were the wealthier guests will likly be staying

    Disney can easily conpensate for the rise in parking demand in that area by building a parking garage for the people who stay around the Paradise Pier area (DTD will already be recieving it's own parking garage as part of future expansion I've heard, DTD is looking at expanding out towards the existing Micky and Friends garage)

    I deffinatly agree on all of the yellow areas, I get the idea that the 7/11 and Candycane inn are just reminents of an era now past they'll probably be taken out when the time comes (if you check maps from 1995 you'll see pretty good sized portions of the Timon lot were other small hotels and shops once were)

    I have been looking at my ariel maps some more and I did notice one thing, there are more old hotels in that area in the red that you labled residential, I'm wondering if Disney could buy those out as well, I think Disney should be the company to own the hotels all with a location directly next to it's parks

    other competitors can build a block away or whatnot if that's really neccisary, alot of these hotels are pretty raggedy I hear though

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