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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    I enjoyed the construction images. Here is a page I found this
    http://davelandweb.com/chickenofthesea/
    Enjoy. This site has some amazing vintage pics
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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    >>I enjoyed the construction images. Here is a page I found this
    http://davelandweb.com/chickenofthesea/
    Enjoy. This site has some amazing vintage pics<<

    Wow. Those are spectacular shots. Thanks!

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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    They could put the ship and skull rock in the wonderbra (former) theater area. They tore the best parts of that out to make a princess makeover area that is totally pointless to anyone over the age of 6. It's pretty much a waste of valuable real estate IMHO. Put the ship and skull rock there.







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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    As much I liked the pirate ship and enjoyed my share of tuna sandwiches as a kid, it's no more important or iconic than the TWA rocket or the World Clock in Tomorrowland, both of which have long since moved on to Yesterland (Redd Rockett's Pizza Port notwithstanding).

    Nostalgia is great, but resurrecting old attractions just because they look cool and make you misty-eyed isn't enough. I like how Fantasyland looks these days. It wouldn't be a simple task to plunk the Chicken of the Sea and Skull Rock back into their old digs. Yes, I did miss the pirate ship when it was first removed, but I got over it and moved on. The rest of you should too.

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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    Logistically speaking...there just wasn't enough room for all the pirates in a canoe...

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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    One thing I have learned by listening to lectures on Disney and Disneyland. He had no money to build the park and everyone thought he was nuts. So basically he got no loans. He sold his life insurance policy and that got him started but he ran out of money before any ride was constructed. So he went to company's to support him like Chicken of the Sea, Santa Fe, Carnation, Sunkist, etc. They sponsored rides or shops and gave Disney the money to build the park. After Disney died the company became stupid and raised the prices of sponsorship tremendously and they some backed out like Santa Fe. I am guessing this may have been one reason the Pirate ship disappeared and never came back in the new land or one way they got rid of them for the new land. I two would like to see the restaurant come back even though I hate tuna also i think Disney has taken the pirate theme to far.

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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    Quote Originally Posted by merlinjones View Post
    >>Tony said he was looking at plusing the areas that need it before jumping into any new projects so, one can only hope.<<

    I hope so. I think it would mean a lot to him too to bring it back.

    On that eye candy/placemaking level, I'd love to see the Nautilus somewhere as well, and Cinderella's coach (they did both of these beautifully at DLP) and waterfalls at the Rivers of America again.
    Since Tony was the show designer behind 1983's "New Fantasyland", I always assumed it was he that removed it in the first place.
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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    Quote Originally Posted by Tractor View Post
    I am guessing this may have been one reason the Pirate ship disappeared and never came back in the new land or one way they got rid of them for the new land.
    I'm pretty sure Disney didn't try to get rid of Chicken of the Sea for the new 1983 Fantasyland. I say that because Chicken of the Sea was already gone from the Park of their own accord by 1969! It may have indeed been because Disney raised the rent. But it wasn't because of any plans for a new Fantasyland.



    Back to my original point about Hook/Pan being pushed aside in favor of tuna on the ship when it first opened...here's the back of a 1955 Disneyland postcard which only mentions it being "the pirate ship in Fantasyland"...but does mention Chicken of the Sea and tuna. No mention of Pan or Hook.



    BTW...August 29th is the "birthday" of the Chicken of the Sea Pirate Ship Restaurant. So if anyone wants to lay a dead albacore in front of Dumbo this Wednesday in memory...feel free to do so.

    Just don't say I suggested it if anyone asks where you got such a screwy idea as you're being escorted from the Park.


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    >>Since Tony was the show designer behind 1983's "New Fantasyland", I always assumed it was he that removed it in the first place.<<

    Tony intended to move it to Small World Way, next to Storybook Land during the New Fantasyland remodel, but when the crane went to pick up the ship it shattered into a million pieces. They never approved a budget to rebuild it from scratch in the new location.

    He told me years ago that if he had known it would go away, he never would have planned to move it in the first place.

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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    Quote Originally Posted by merlinjones View Post
    >>Since Tony was the show designer behind 1983's "New Fantasyland", I always assumed it was he that removed it in the first place.<<

    Tony intended to move it to Small World Way, next to Storybook Land during the New Fantasyland remodel, but when the crane went to pick up the ship it shattered into a million pieces. They never approved a budget to rebuild it from scratch in the new location.

    He told me years ago that if he had known it would go away, he never would have planned to move it in the first place.
    That's why house movers don't make any guarantees, they only warrant that they'll use best practices and due care - "Stuff" happens that is well beyond their control.

    That ship was built fast in 1954/55 as a 'set piece that is permanent' rather than 'a permanent building that looks like a set piece'. It had weatherdecks and paint rather than a regular roof, and I can guarantee after a while it leaked...

    I'll bet that the construction methods (shipwright style rather than regular building style) combined with it's placement inside a moat, with lousy weathrproofing (It's a ship!) and 39 years of weather and use, no wonder it was being held together by only the paint. Just think - one good earthquake...

    They still should have carried through and built a new ship, and transferred over the 'gingerbread' details from the old one. One that would last a while - it's amazing what you can do with steel nowadays.

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    >>They still should have carried through and built a new ship, and transferred over the 'gingerbread' details from the old one. One that would last a while <<

    Yes. The original probably had woodrot and termites and powdering plaster - - but that shouldn't have meant it would disappear forever.

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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    "Pixie duuuuust!..."

    You know what could be cool? Hidden light fibers on the Pirate Ship so that, at night, the ship could turn golden with pixie dust when Tink flies over - - like in the movie!

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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    I had a dream about the pirate ship!

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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    That's another thing I always wondered about the Pirate Ship: Was it originally designed as a restaurant or were the restaurant elements slapped on to the design after they signed Chicken of the Sea?

    I remember that it was a real pain to operate and supply as a restaurant. Food Operations was always complaining about the logistics involved in its operation.

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    Re: Why the Pirate Ship was so important

    Quote Originally Posted by Opus1guy View Post
    That's another thing I always wondered about the Pirate Ship: Was it originally designed as a restaurant or were the restaurant elements slapped on to the design after they signed Chicken of the Sea?
    From what I was told by our family member who was the manager it was designed to be a restaurant.

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