View Poll Results: Which is better, DCA or Knott's?

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Thread: Knott's vs. DCA

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    Knott's vs. DCA

    While Knott's has nothing near the quality of the Tower of Terror or Aladdin, I must say as a whole Knott's is a far better park. Knott's Log Ride is better than any ride at DCA except the Tower of Terror. The Calico Mine Ride is a far better dark ride than Monsters Inc. Ghost Rider, Silver Bullet, and Xcellerator are all better than California Screamin'.

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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    As outsourced, unimaginative, overmerchandised (and any other pejorative adjective you can imagine) as DCA is, there's still no comparison to the dismal decay that is Knotts. Knotts has no upkeep. Knotts had dumpsters in plain site. Knotts has rotting facia, peeling paint and trash everywhere. Knotts has as much aesthetic appeal as a barrio flea market. And unlike DCA, there's no chance of the carnival rides being replaced with something less embarrassing.
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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    While I enjoyed some of the rides at Knott's they should stick to selling jelly and leave the theme parks to the pros!
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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Necrosis View Post
    As outsourced, unimaginative, overmerchandised (and any other pejorative adjective you can imagine) as DCA is.


    Thats the way all Disney rides and parks in the states are now


    I wouldn't be suprised if Knott's pulls in better numbers than DCA for one reason, Halloween Haunt. That event is legendary for Knott's. DCA hasn't hosted a single event that has gotten me to attend the park since the opening of TOT.


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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    Knott's used to have a better identity in the past. Now it has become a Knott's Magic Mountain with all of the unthemed roller coaster tracks all over the place.
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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    I think this was a bad thread to start, since I know that a majority of people here are gonna start bashing Knott's like saying, "Knott's has gone downhill" "is not the same anymore" "they're like SFMM now" etc.

    while they praise DCA...

    I on the other hand, I enjoy Knott's way better than DCA. There's much more things to do at Knott's than DCA. Plus I'm a big fan for roller coaster, so Knott's is the way to go.

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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    The question was which we like better. I like DCA better because Knott's can't figure out what it wants to be anymore. When I was 12, MANY years ago, I loved Knott's. In fact we went there way more than Disneyland. It is hard to see a park I loved turned into a decaying shadow of its former self with cheap fixes (roller coasters) thrown up year after year. I love roller coasters too, but Knott's has just given up on theming and has become Magic Mountain south.

    AT least Knott's has the price right. DCA is still overpriced. And I'm not a DCA cheerleader. That place has a long way to go before it is Disney quality.
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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    The problem with Knotts, I think (and just from an outsider, park-goers POV) is that they stopped trying to compete with Disneyland and started trying to emulate Six Flags in their business plan. Which is a shame; I remember when they had fun rides that the entire family could enjoy, like the family-friendly Soap Box Derby steeplechase ride where the limited-access Xcelerator (Xcellerator?) now stands, the shuttered-off building where Kingdom of the Dinosaurs once stood, the oft-closed Perilous Plunge where Greased lightning and the Whirlpool once entertained guests.

    I think the problem started when they sold everything to Cedar Fair, and they began to make it more a thrill park instead of a family venture. Good way to get your reputation to be known as the "EXTREME" local park, bad business idea IMO. As any other MiceChatter can tell you, and with far more authority than I can, the "EXTREME THRILLZ!!1!one!" group is your teen / early twenties group of people, a target audience not known for having nor spending a great deal of money on trips. Disney's got them owned on that one.

    That being said, however, I gotta admit I do look forward to my trips to Knotts more than DCA. I am still of the "stupid thrill-seeking EXTREME" age and I LOVE thrill rides. Whereas I don't allow that aspect of my theme park patronship overstep my love of Disneyland, I gotta say with the limited offerings the California Adventure puts forth I yearn for Knotts visits more than the sister park.
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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    This is a hard one as Knott's to me is still when it had Knott's Beary Tales (one of best, longest dark rides ever), Roaring 20's, Haunted Shack, Tijuana Taxi, Cycle Chase, and so many other great experiences from my youth. Today's Knott's barely hints at that park but I still like going there probably more for my memories and to be there with my kids than what it objectively is.

    Also, if you want a preview of your upcoming Ratatouille ride for DCA, go ride Sierra Sidewinder - it is the spinning coaster like Nemo in DLP - I've been surprised by everyone getting geeked up about another short, off the shelf coaster with some themeing thrown on it - doesn't sound much more interesting than Mulholland Madness to me, but we'll wait and see what they do with it....

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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ess-Eff-Aitch View Post
    The problem with Knotts, I think (and just from an outsider, park-goers POV) is that they stopped trying to compete with Disneyland and started trying to emulate Six Flags in their business plan. Which is a shame; I remember when they had fun rides that the entire family could enjoy, like the family-friendly Soap Box Derby steeplechase ride where the now limited-access Xcelerator (Xcellerator?) now stands, the shuttered-off building where Kingdom of the Dinosaurs once stood, the oft-closed Perilous Plunge where Greased lightning and the Whirlpool once entertained guests.

    I think the problem started when they sold everything to Cedar Fair, and they began to make it more a thrill park instead of a family venture. Good way to get your reputation to be known as the "EXTREME" local park, bad business idea IMO. As any other MiceChatter can tell you, and with far more authority than I can, the "EXTREME THRILLZ!!1!one!" group is your teen / early twenties group of people, a target audience not known for having nor spending a great deal of money on trips. Disney's got them owned on that one.

    That being said, however, I gotta admit I do look forward to my trips to Knotts more than DCA. I am still of the "stupid thrill-seeking EXTREME" age and I LOVE thrill rides. Whereas I don't allow that aspect of my theme park patronship overstep my love of Disneyland, I gotta say with the limited offerings the California Adventure puts forth I yearn for Knotts visits more than the sister park.
    Not to defend Knott's but wasn't DCA billed as the "teen/adult demographic" park when it was being built. Wasn't the major complaint that DCA was too toned down for teens/adults and lacked the family rides for the little kids. I think Knott's has more of an identity then DCA does. At least Knott's has a targeted audience. Were it not for Disneyland being right next door IMO DCA would have closed it's doors a long time ago. As to theme... Ghosttown still kicks the crap out of Frontierland, even did a thread on that one.

    On a side note it's always interesting to see people who claim to "hate" something switch sides and defend it. I don't like Knott's overall, but I like elements of it like Ghosttown, Ghostrider, Mine Train, the fact that you can actually walk right up to a steam train, I LOVE BUMPER CARS... as to DCA.... well it has the Cove Bar. Someone else also mentioned prices and I have to agree, at least when you go to Knott's you don't feel completely ripped off.
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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    I voted about the same. Being a life-long native to both Disneyland and Knott's, Knott's also holds a special place in my heart right with DL and DCA and it is very distressing to see what Cedar Fair has been doing to Knotts. Basically turning it into Magic Mountain.

    I do prefer DL and DCA more, but Knott's to me is equally as special.

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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    I voted the same as well. Apples to oranges but here's my spin. Knotts has more selection and history. DCA is much cleaner. Toss-up.

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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    It has been about 4 years since I last visited Knott's. I'll have to say that I was disappointed and heartbroken over the condition of the park. We stayed about 4 hours there because there just wasn't anything worth riding and looking at. It just wasn't the park that I remember visiting when I was younger. We always went there during the summer as part of our Disneyland vacation. It is in sad condition and doesn't compare to the cleaniness of Disneyland and DCA. Though DCA lacks the "thrill" rides (loopdeloops), I feel more comfortable when I'm at DCA.

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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    Quote Originally Posted by techskip View Post
    Not to defend Knott's but wasn't DCA billed as the "teen/adult demographic" park when it was being built. Wasn't the major complaint that DCA was too toned down for teens/adults and lacked the family rides for the little kids. I think Knott's has more of an identity then DCA does. At least Knott's has a targeted audience. Were it not for Disneyland being right next door IMO DCA would have closed it's doors a long time ago. As to theme... Ghosttown still kicks the crap out of Frontierland, even did a thread on that one.

    On a side note it's always interesting to see people who claim to "hate" something switch sides and defend it. I don't like Knott's overall, but I like elements of it like Ghosttown, Ghostrider, Mine Train, the fact that you can actually walk right up to a steam train, I LOVE BUMPER CARS... as to DCA.... well it has the Cove Bar. Someone else also mentioned prices and I have to agree, at least when you go to Knott's you don't feel completely ripped off.
    I never said I "hated" anything about either park, it's just that I can see the two sides to the coin here. Right now, I'm at an age where I can really appreciate the thrill rides and extra g-forces these attractions generate. But when I have kids of my own, where am I going to take them? When I was a kid, I remember there still being so much for my demographic (I highly doubt kids find themselves ever referring to themselves as such) to do at Knotts, and that park seemed to grow with my tastes.

    It's coincidence, I realize. but now things are WAY different from when I was a kid. My dad isn't the (comparatively) spry thirty-something he was back in the day, and though he still goes to Knotts, what he can get on is very limiting to him as well.

    I'm not saying Knotts doesn't serve a purpose; I use the hell outta the place right now. But when I'm older and have younguns of my own, I can't take them there, there's nothing for them to do, and plus, as others have pointed out, the slacking off on theming won't really engage them like a trip to DLR would. When I'm older, I doubt highly I would be able to handle things like the abusive Ghostrider (which I hope I still will be able to, despite the fact that the ride is like an amusement park equivalent of having someone beat the crap out of you, take your wallet, and leave you in a dumpster out back), but I'm certain I will still be able to go on Space Mountain until the day I die.

    Sure, some say Disneyland is overpriced. I'm inclined to agree. But they prey off of vacationing families (and locals who have had it there their whole lives), who are there to do nothing but spend money, and in excess of what they'd normally spend. So they can get away with it. Knott's really can't, they have next-to-nothing for the "family" to do together. So lower the price and give the more money-tight thrill seeking group their thrills without the theming and banish the family atmosphere. Hey, it works so well for Six Flags, right?...

    Oh wait, that's right, they had to sell it and were threatening to level Batman and Goliath for condos. Hmm.... maybe NOT such a good idea.

    I am inclined to agree about GhostTown though... that is a very excellent use of imagination and theming.

    Though I like Knotts, I think there needs to be a bit more balance between family and thrill-seeking for them to stay in the game. It seems to lean too far in one direction as it stands. You know; stop taking out things like Haunted Shack for those cheap additional-five-dollar-charge-state-fair rides that seem to justify demolishing the attractions which provided some of my fondest theme-park memories.

    DCA... well, I agree they need a lot of help, but the billion plus makeover they're getting should be a step in the right direction. Maybe then, once again, Disney will own all, and it will be no contest.
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    Re: Knott's vs. DCA

    I voted DCA but if the Knotts of my youth were still around it would be a no contest vote for Knotts. The Cedar Fair Knotts is a real stinkhole.

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