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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disney Wrassler View Post
    If so, then how can we explain why this pirate became sober?
    He did? Are his actions different now? Does he no longer lean awkwardly against the barrels? Last time I saw it was in 2005, before the Depp AA figure, and he seemed the same as he always did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Disney Wrassler View Post
    I don't get it! First he was a drunkard holding a nude woman hostage in a barrel,
    Wait a minute, nude? She was never nude, she was wearing a typical dress of the era, one which exposed the shoulders, and she was only really seen from the shoulders up. I can see how that might lend someone to think she was nude, but every photo I've seen of that AA figure, she was definitely dressed, in blue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Disney Wrassler View Post
    then towards the late 90's, he sobered up and became more obsessed with food, and then next thing we know, he's got something going on with Johnny Depp! I mean, what's up with this guy? How can you explain that???
    Easy - the script's been changed, just like I said. Script changes aren't uncommon, either on POTC or other park rides.

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TiaDalmaFan View Post
    He did? Are his actions different now? Does he no longer lean awkwardly against the barrels? Last time I saw it was in 2005, before the Depp AA figure, and he seemed the same as he always did.

    Wait a minute, nude? She was never nude, she was wearing a typical dress of the era, one which exposed the shoulders, and she was only really seen from the shoulders up. I can see how that might lend someone to think she was nude, but every photo I've seen of that AA figure, she was definitely dressed, in blue.

    Easy - the script's been changed, just like I said. Script changes aren't uncommon, either on POTC or other park rides.
    I know . I was just joking around with ya .

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Datameister View Post
    It's one thing to create a movie spin-off of a great ride, including tip-of-the-hat allusions to the ride to make fanboyh like me twitter. It's an entirely different thing to change the original inspiration to be "inspired by" the film that it originally inspired. I tolerate all the current changes except the removal of the original captain, but removing the old man and giving Tia Dalma a presence in the bayou would be ridiculous.
    I understand that you wouldn't like it, because it's another change from the original to reflect the movies' characters and settings, but it wouldn't be particularly ridiculous. It would actually make a lot of sense within the context of the overall story.

    Putting Mickey Mouse in there, that would be ridiculous. Playing Red Hot Chili Pepper music, that would be ridiculous. Putting the Haunted Mansion bride there, that would be ridiculous. But not Tia Dalma. She's a part of the POTC universe now, so she fits.

    I find it amazing that people have no problems at all with Darth Vader and Jedi Knights running around Walt Disney's Tomorrowland, when Walt Disney never knew George Lucas, Disney never distributed the Star Wars films, and characters from a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away have nothing whatsoever to do with the future of Earth, but putting a supporting character from a film based on and set in the same time period as the attraction raises all kinds of protests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Datameister View Post
    IMO, when you've got a classic that's this successful, any change to it should add to the experience, not remove key sections and replace them with something more relevant to pop culture.
    Tia Dalma is a character within the POTC universe, and has nothing to do with modern pop culture. That unnamed old man figure never did ANYTHING, except rock in his chair a little. He's hardly a reason that POTC has been a successful attraction for 40 years.

    Furthermore, and I'm amazed I have to ask this question, what makes you think that adding Tia Dalma to the swamp cabin would not add to the experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Datameister View Post
    Tia Dalma's home was originally a reference to the cabins in the Blue Bayou area of the ride. Why should those cabins be replaced with references to said cabins? It's preposterous. It's marketing.
    What's being marketed? Is there a cash register before the waterfall?

    Who said the cabin would be replaced? If anything, some minor set decorations would be altered, and the old man figure replaced with a Tia Dalma AA. Whether she'd speak at all remains to be seen.

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    It's one thing if she's just sitting there. If she speaks you have a lot of people that are paying big bucks to eat at the Blue Bayou. I know I wouldn't be pleased hearing the same thing said over and over for my hour long meal.

    Leave the old man in the rocking chair alone.

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    OKAY!!! I'm ending this right now!! Tia Dalma does NOT need to be in the attraction. When I take my future children on this attraction, I want the man to still be there, like it is now. Not some creepy fish woman. Besides, only the first POTC movie was actually EXCELLENT! The second two were only okay.

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by aashee View Post
    It's one thing if she's just sitting there. If she speaks you have a lot of people that are paying big bucks to eat at the Blue Bayou. I know I wouldn't be pleased hearing the same thing said over and over for my hour long meal.

    Leave the old man in the rocking chair alone.

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    That's an excellent point! Also, think of the poor CMs working there!
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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Ok I am setting things straight here guys.

    You leave the 21st Century once you enter the entrance tunnels of Disneyland.

    All the lands suggest actual times and places, but these times and places are all purpsosefully vague in order to transport the guest from the real 21st Century to the world of yesterday, tomorrow, and fantasy.

    Tia Dalma may or may not belong on POTC. But put her where she is best suited, and preferably not where it is going to clash with the peacefulness of the bayou -- the same goes for Jack, Barbossa, and the rest of them...

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    I really don't care anymore. Let the pirates come. They've messed the ride up enough. *Sigh*


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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by tink_imagineer33 View Post
    OKAY!!! I'm ending this right now!! Tia Dalma does NOT need to be in the attraction. When I take my future children on this attraction, I want the man to still be there, like it is now. Not some creepy fish woman.



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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabres2006 View Post
    That's an excellent point! Also, think of the poor CMs working there!
    Moot point. Plenty of CMs in other parts of the park have to hear the same things over and over again, day after day, night after night. Think about the poor Main Street CMs who hear the same parade songs over and over, for weeks on end.

    Besides, it hasn't been announced that a Tia Dalma AA would even say anything at all.

    If she did, it might be something original, something brief. She might even whisper, or murmur.

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    I share the notion that POTC has become the ride that inspired the movie that is now being inspired BY the movie, and I'm not really sure I agree with the changes.

    When I first rode the attraction post film based changes, I was just glad that the changes they DID make were not completely over the top, they basically kept the integrity of the original concept intact.
    They didn't turn it into "Johnny Depp's Pirates of the Carribbean".

    I love the films and I'm glad they have done so well, but that being said, I worry that Disney's willingness to cash in on and milk the life out of any successful franchise, may noy make for the best "enhancements" to some of the rides.

    I'm all for change and evolution of the park, but I think that trying to ride a pop culture wave or cash in on the latest hit may undermine the core elements of what made Disneyland so amazing in the first place.

    The creativity and originality of attractions like POTC and Haunted Mansion, are what set Disneyland far and above any other theme parks then or now.

    I know there is no turning back from the metamorphosis taking place with POTC but I hope some restraint can be exercised.


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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    i dont want her in there!
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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSwami View Post
    To be fair you're arguing with someone who chose the username "TiaDalmaFan". He may be a little biased.

    I'm not completely opposed to Tia Dalma being included in the ride - obviously as the films cement their place as one of the most successful and beloved film trilogies of our time, we're going to see more and more elements from the films included in the ride.

    On the other hand, that initial part of the ride - if it isn't a Louisiana bayou, what is it? The only pirate connection I can think of is the whole New Orleans thing, but someone just said it's not supposed to be a Louisiana bayou, which means it makes no sense in connection to anything at all. Aside from setting a peaceful backdrop for the Blue Bayou, what does that area have to do with the rest of the ride? Adding Tia Dalma might make the whole thing more cohesive.
    The cohesion in the ride comes from falling down the waterfalls to go back in time, then coming back up the falls back to the 19th century. The ride begins in New Orleans and ends there. The story takes place in the Caribbean on a Spanish colonial island being sacked by pirates. Tia Dalma would make sense somewhere in the ride... Perhaps she could replace the Davy Jones projection. Or perhaps she could be there with Davy.

    Quote Originally Posted by TiaDalmaFan View Post
    Well, since Tia Dalma is Calypso, the Goddess of the Sea, and never dies, she's not anachronistic (unless the seas dried up in the 18th Century and nobody told me). She's in our time, or whatever time the bayou's in. The waterfall's the gateway to world's end and a time trip to the 18th Century.

    See, with enough imagination you can explain anything.
    Good points, however, I still say thematically it's a bit of a rub. I'm with you. I love Tia Dalma. She's one of the greatest morally ambiguous characters in modern cinema. I just don't think thematically she fits int he Bayou.

    And another thing... How come there's not a Tia Dalma face character anywhere?!
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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    everyone related to the pirates movies GET OUT and STAY OUT
    i think now i wish the movie hadnt been a success.

    btw i do love every movie lol

    but since i know they will not be leaving any time soon, tia can be in the middle of the ride or maybe even transform the caves into a bayou like in the picture with all the candles but alas that would ruin the whole time period back in time thing ..

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TiaDalmaFan View Post
    What's unpeaceful about this?



    Why is it okay to have Jack Sparrow, Davy Jones, and Barbossa, but not Tia Dalma in a bayou shack?
    If they make it look like this bring it on, but please keep the old man I love him.

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