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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by BassBone View Post
    The cohesion in the ride comes from falling down the waterfalls to go back in time, then coming back up the falls back to the 19th century.
    In all the years I've been on the ride, I never got the impression that the 19th century was even involved, at any point in the story. I never got the impression that the waterfall was a specific time travel portal, regardless of what Walt may have implied in passing on the TV special 40 years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by BassBone View Post
    The ride begins in New Orleans and ends there.
    While that was vaguely implied, it was never clearly and unequivocally stated. Despite Jean Lafitte's historical base in Barataria, which is south of New Orleans, "Lafitte's Landing" could be theoretically located anywhere in the Gulf of Mexico or the Caribbean, since Lafitte did sail throughout the region.

    But more importantly, I think what's being overlooked here is the fact that New Orleans Square, Lafitte's Landing, and the Blue Bayou are not meant to represent unchangeably delineated geographical locations that reflected some sort of "reality," either past or present. They're all fantasy recreations of a certain existing place, but they're not intended to be taken as literal, just as the POTC storyline itself is not meant to be taken as representing the historical reality of piracy in the Caribbean of the 17th and 18th centuries. Everything is a fictional construct, part of a dream state. Going from "Frontierland" or "Adventureland" to "New Orleans Square" to "Lafitte's Landing" to "the Blue Bayou" to "the Spanish Main" is all meant to represent going from one ethereal dream to another, where time and space are not clearly defined, and characters and events from the historical past are intertwined with fantasy characters. This insistence that newer fantasy characters not be involved with what has always been a fantasy story is absolutely ludicrous.

    Quote Originally Posted by BassBone View Post
    The story takes place in the Caribbean on a Spanish colonial island being sacked by pirates.
    Well, we don't know that's it's necessarily an island; the Spanish Main was the mainland coast of the Spanish Empire around the Caribbean, and even included Florida. The town could be in what is today Venezuela, or Colombia, or Mexico, or Panama, or some other location. A Spanish town, to be sure, and definitely on a coast, so it could be on an island, but other than that, we don't know just where it's supposed to be (other than somewhere in the Caribbean).

    Quote Originally Posted by BassBone View Post
    Good points, however, I still say thematically it's a bit of a rub. I'm with you. I love Tia Dalma. She's one of the greatest morally ambiguous characters in modern cinema. I just don't think thematically she fits int he Bayou.
    I don't see why she wouldn't. Her house on the Pantano River, complete with fireflies, is virtually identical to the shack on the bayou. Clearly the design for her house was inspired directly by the bayou shack before the waterfall approach, but when these sort of things happen, a little bit of backward inspiration isn't particularly surprising, nor is it really out of line.

    Don't get me wrong; I understand that a lot of people have attached sentimental value to the ride and its story and its design, and would like to keep it in perfect original condition forever, but with the advent of the films, a little retweaking isn't changing the ride in any fundamental way, and as long as it retains the essential thematic spirit of the entire POTC fictional universe, certain minor changes are acceptable. POTC hasn't been ruined irreparably, and won't be, if a few minor tweaks and story rewrites are made here and there. The basic original storyline is still intact. These minor changes just help link the attraction to the films a little better, and it has to be kept in mind that although the ride itself has been tremendously popular for 40 years, not everyone has experienced it; some people have seen the films and never been on the ride, and we'll continue to see this sort of thing for some time to come. These little tweaks and changes are done to help flesh out the relationship between the ride and the films and not make them seem like they're not part of the same fictional universe.

    Quote Originally Posted by BassBone View Post
    And another thing... How come there's not a Tia Dalma face character anywhere?!
    They have one at Hong Kong Disneyland. Played by a Chinese performer.

    They probably should have some at Disneyland and WDW. Perhaps they will at some point.

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Tia Dalma is a voodoo witch (I think? Haha).. I think she's going to live forever. So she could be sitting there, rocking on the old man's rocking chair, with a couple of candles littered on the floor of the porch. As you walk by she smiles at you with that creepy smile and murmurs something under her breath. That would be why you see the talking skull later, she has put a spell/curse on you, and now you must go see the Pirates! She brings you back after a certain period of time and you hear her as you go up the lift (towards the very very end, after Jack) "So ya made it, eh? Ya might not beh so lucky next time!" And she laughs that, "ehehehe" laugh. Why does she do this? Uh... Because... She wants you to know what kind of pampered lives we live? yeah. Let's go with that.

    But that's just my idea if they absolutely must add Tia to our attraction. I personally would rather her stay out. I didn't want them to add anything, either.

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    IMHO leave the bayou as it is! it's my favorite scene in the ride
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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by thrax View Post
    IMHO leave the bayou as it is! it's my favorite scene in the ride
    Maybe they should expand the serene bayou and get rid of the waterfall and the caves and everything else, then. Change it from Pirates of the Caribbean to Tourists of the Louisiana Swamp.

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by thrax View Post
    IMHO leave the bayou as it is! it's my favorite scene in the ride
    What's IMHO mean?

    Yeah, bayou should stay. Why are they even considering changing it? Does anyone know?

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by codelyokorox View Post
    Tia Dalma is a voodoo witch (I think? Haha).. I think she's going to live forever.
    Well, we know she's really Calypso, Goddess of the Seas, so that's why she'd live forever. But as for her human form, she may be a practitioner of voodoo (the term witch would be inaccurate, and might be considered insulting), but in the scene on the frozen ocean in POTC: At World's End she was referred to by Pintel as an obeah woman.

    Quote Originally Posted by codelyokorox View Post
    So she could be sitting there, rocking on the old man's rocking chair, with a couple of candles littered on the floor of the porch. As you walk by she smiles at you with that creepy smile and murmurs something under her breath. That would be why you see the talking skull later, she has put a spell/curse on you, and now you must go see the Pirates! She brings you back after a certain period of time and you hear her as you go up the lift (towards the very very end, after Jack) "So ya made it, eh? Ya might not beh so lucky next time!" And she laughs that, "ehehehe" laugh.
    That's actually very good. In fact, even if we don't encounter Tia Dalma at the end of the ride, that sort of scenario at the beginning would work out nicely. It'd add a level of creepiness and perhaps foreboding that wasn't clearly there before, but I don't see that that's a negative.

    I think her smile is sexy and very alluring, actually. But that's me.

    Quote Originally Posted by codelyokorox View Post
    But that's just my idea if they absolutely must add Tia to our attraction. I personally would rather her stay out. I didn't want them to add anything, either.
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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
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    Very cute. Actually it means International Method of Handling Objections.



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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    If they made a Tia Dalma animatronic as good as the Jack Sparrow ones. I would end up making love to it right there in the blue bayou.


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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Tiadalma fan, I'm surprised you of all people actually know Jean Laffite's history and are willing to dismiss his connection to both New Orleans square and PotC. How else does New Orleans connect to PotC, especially since the docking area is called Laffite's Landing. You know where his headquarters were. Also, have you ever seen a picture of the retired old Laffite? If you did I don't think you would have called the old banjo guy a nobody. I've always thought of him as someone reflecting on the distant past, and that always made the change make sense to me. I know none of that was ever officially explained, but then why does anyone need constant references to the movie to inspire their imagination?

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TiaDalmaFan View Post
    Well, we know she's really Calypso, Goddess of the Seas, so that's why she'd live forever. But as for her human form, she may be a practitioner of voodoo (the term witch would be inaccurate, and might be considered insulting), but in the scene on the frozen ocean in POTC: At World's End she was referred to by Pintel as an obeah woman.

    That's actually very good. In fact, even if we don't encounter Tia Dalma at the end of the ride, that sort of scenario at the beginning would work out nicely. It'd add a level of creepiness and perhaps foreboding that wasn't clearly there before, but I don't see that that's a negative.

    I think her smile is sexy and very alluring, actually. But that's me.

    I'm not feelin' the love. Y'all are downin' my Queen, and doesn't deserve it!
    Oh. Oops. Witch to me is good, sorry about that! I can change it if you want. Didn't know it'd be insulting. I always thought voodoo women were spiffy!

    Oh, do you like that? Heehee. I thought it'd be a nice edition. (Hey, I'm a girl. I guess it counts as seductive to me. Hm.) Instead of just sitting her there, there could actually be a story behind it.

    And it's nothing against her, I'd welcome her anyday. I love her, she's my ABSOLUTE favorite female character (Johnny Depp isn't very appealing, and neither is Will)... Barbossa is my hero. I fangirl over him. Actually, now that I'm picturing my idea, I'd like her there. Since they added the others, they should at least make it a bit more... fluid.



    We don't need tie-ins to movies to spark our imagination, it'd just be more fluid. And on top of that, we can't stop them if they want to add her. Why fight it? Disney got rid of our Gallery, we fought it. Disney added Captain Jack Sparrow, we didn't like it. Pirates Lair? Frowned upon. We have no say. If they are going to add her, let's hope they make it awsome.

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    If they made a Tia Dalma animatronic as good as the Jack Sparrow ones. I would end up making love to it right there in the blue bayou.
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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by TiaDalmaFan View Post
    Change it from Pirates of the Caribbean to Tourists of the Louisiana Swamp.
    HURT 'EM! haha

    i was thinking that if they must add tia dalma, which i'm for because i jock naomie harris like some jock depp, she could go - and i can hear the cries of "blasphemy" already - in the scene after the waterfall where there's the crab aa and the pirate skeleton with the sword through it with the gull on his hat. that area always feels underwhelming to me. yes i know they just added the vocals back and everything, but that's more nostalgic than narrative.

    maybe a slight change in lighting could be used and she could be surrounded by candles, and a jar of dirt . there's probably even room for a facade of the cabin to be built in that area. with dramatic show lighting, some special effects and a fully articulated tia dalma aa, that scene could become a show stealer. (though i already anticipate a few MCers saying that particular scene is their favorite and it should be left unchanged, because someone always says just that.)

    on the other hand, since the ride has been retrofitted to center on this particular chapter in jack sparrow's life, tia dalma hasn't much of a place in the story. she's moreso tied to davy jones' story (i would love to see a full-sized davy jones aa though!).

    on a side note, does anyone else think a tia dalma shop would be cool? they could sell candles, the ubiquitous skeleton merchandise, voodoo-themed items (more along the lines of tia dalma than houdini [which would of course need to be playful so as not to upset the strict conservative sensibilities of some park guests) etc. i guarantee that jars of dirt would sell here! maybe she could be given the little corridor store in pieces of eight, directly behind fortune red? it's already a spooky retail space, especially since fortune red himself looks like the embalmed head from silence of the lambs. it would be cool to have a voodoo-themed store in new orleans square since it's totally appropriate, as opposed to the bat en rouge, which is now essentially the hot topic of disneyland .




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    Quote Originally Posted by dpdilla View Post
    HURT 'EM! haha

    i was thinking that if they must add tia dalma, which i'm for because i jock naomie harris like some jock depp, she could go - and i can hear the cries of "blasphemy" already - in the scene after the waterfall where there's the crab aa and the pirate skeleton with the sword through it with the gull on his hat. that area always feels underwhelming to me. yes i know they just added the vocals back and everything, but that's more nostalgic than narrative.

    maybe a slight change in lighting could be used and she could be surrounded by candles, and a jar of dirt . there's probably even room for a facade of the cabin to be built in that area. with dramatic show lighting, some special effects and a fully articulated tia dalma aa, that scene could become a show stealer. (though i already anticipate a few MCers saying that particular scene is their favorite and it should be left unchanged, because someone always says just that.)

    on the other hand, since the ride has been retrofitted to center on this particular chapter in jack sparrow's life, tia dalma hasn't much of a place in the story. she's moreso tied to davy jones' story (i would love to see a full-sized davy jones aa though!).

    on a side note, does anyone else think a tia dalma shop would be cool? they could sell candles, the ubiquitous skeleton merchandise, voodoo-themed items (more along the lines of tia dalma than houdini [which would of course need to be playful so as not to upset the strict conservative sensibilities of some park guests) etc. i guarantee that jars of dirt would sell here! maybe she could be given the little corridor store in pieces of eight, directly behind fortune red? it's already a spooky retail space, especially since fortune red himself looks like the embalmed head from silence of the lambs. it would be cool to have a voodoo-themed store in new orleans square since it's totally appropriate, as opposed to the bat en rouge, which is now essentially the hot topic of disneyland .
    What if we have my idea too? (haha, just kidding! )

    She could be there, but leave the other stuff too. She could be on one sid,e kneeling on her knees, candles scattered about her (not in a circle, kind of randomly placed like she was in a hurry) and she could have a jar of dirt in front of her, with one hand held up with dirt in it, maybe moving like she's filling it? And have a tube so it looks like she's dropping dirt into it (think the skeletons drinking!), and in the darker shadows is DAvy Jones, kind of watching her. Periodically she could stop and look up, tilting her head back and forath, just as he disspears (lighting change) and she could mumble, "I swear I be gettin' spied on..."


    And that idea for the shop sounds sa-weet!

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    Re: Who Else Here wants the Blue Bayou scene unchanged in POTC?

    Quote Originally Posted by cerpin taxt View Post
    Tiadalma fan, I'm surprised you of all people actually know Jean Laffite's history and are willing to dismiss his connection to both New Orleans square and PotC. How else does New Orleans connect to PotC, especially since the docking area is called Laffite's Landing. You know where his headquarters were. Also, have you ever seen a picture of the retired old Laffite? If you did I don't think you would have called the old banjo guy a nobody. I've always thought of him as someone reflecting on the distant past, and that always made the change make sense to me. I know none of that was ever officially explained, but then why does anyone need constant references to the movie to inspire their imagination?
    I already explained how I felt about this. The whole connection to Lafitte isn't really part of the story; the old man has never been specified as being an old Jean Lafitte (if it was, then the 19th century claim could be considered valid). The only solid connection to Lafitte is in the name of the departure point. I've already gone over the fact that POTC and the rest of Disneyland is basically a collection of ethereal (and malleable) dreams rather than representing a specific truth or reality. New Orleans Square isn't so much an accurate recreation of New Orleans as it is an impression of New Orleans. And that allows for creative license. POTC isn't required to tie itself geographically to New Orleans. And again, the script can and has been rewritten.

    The whole park is one giant experiment in fiction and fantasy. People tend to forget that.

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