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    What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    OK, this is to discuss the RUMORS of what is happening, and a look at what MIGHT happen and its impact on the place.

    OK, looks like Route 66 is the main point of extreme makeover, not just for the Wonderful World of Color water show, but in removal of attractions, and seeing a lot of bulldozers.

    So what does Disney need to do and what changes need to be made.

    First off, the clear issue is the Entertainment corridor and the need for it to avoid the area, at least during the makeover.

    And it sound like Disney has come up with an easy answer, use the Main Emergency exit gates near First Aid and the Tortilla Factory. There are some issues involved, but nothing major.

    If you hold off on moving the parade route until after the Christmas season, Block Party Bash is going to WDW, the DEP is on hiatus and the new Play Pals parade can be delayed if needed. That leaves only High School Musical 2, and they can just have one show at Sunshine Plaza, as the Bug's Land Farm area doesn't seem wide enough to have the stage back far enough for a second stop. But maybe Disney could rework the show a bit to make it work.

    As I understand it, here is the new Parade Route.

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1286118

    So what should Disney do next, IMHO build the Preview Center in the Bathroom Row building, as it will show park guests why so much of the nearby area is closed.

    It is a pretty big building, so they might not need the entire thing...

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1286129

    Last time I was inside of the building, it was pretty much a warehouse with basic walls and a concrete floor, so Disney should make it seem more like nice preview center, but should take long to install a nice public area inside.

    Then it is time to get to work on getting the area ready for new attractions, and to make a decent seating area for the new water show.

    So close off the area to allow the bulldozers to come in and start removing stuff.

    This looks like the area that will get the extreme makeover.

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1286175

    So we are going to lose at lot of things, some could be moved, some could be sent to other parks or sold to another company.

    The six attractions in the area and IMHO what to do with them.

    Golden Dreams - Remove it, but place the film on DVD so the few fans who like it can buy it for there collection.

    Golden Zepher - Maybe move it to the Timon lot area, but it is limited due to winds, so let it go somewhere else.

    Jumpin' Jellyfish - Maybe re themed for a bug land, or sent elsewhere

    Orange Stinger might be able to stay, but more than likely just remove it and move/sell it.

    s.s. Trustworthy - Tear the stuff down, nothing worth packing up and sending elsewhere. Already 2 water play areas in the park.

    Mulholland Madness - Maybe to Florida, maybe sold.

    But there is a lot more in the area, so let's see what should be done.

    ODV carts - You could move the 2 stands (Ice Cream and Lemonade) in front of Golden Dreams either to the north near the Grizzly Smoking area and/or us some of the Entertainment corridor to the east of the area (since it won't be used for parades). Also the coffee cart near the Amphitheater can be moved to the same area.

    The Pin Cart, put in in storage, you have many other pin locations, and bring it back when the area is done.

    The Portrait Artists - Moved to the Entertainment Corridor near the west end of the Wine Country Trattoria, either on the path, or maybe inside of the unused wine bar area.

    Souvenir 66 - Pretty much generic stuff, so just close it down.

    Dinosaur's Jack's Sunglass Shack - Close it down, but stock more sunglasses at the Rushin' River Outfitters and other locations.

    Burger Invasion - As far as I know Disney doesn't have a long term agreement with McDonald's, so remove it, if needed, relocate it to the Lucky Fortune Cookery area until the contract is over.

    Corn Dog Castle, either add the item at Farmer's Market, or build a Corn Dog Cart like the one on Main Street and place it on the Parade Route area near Wine Country Trattoria. Or maybe place it in the old Fortune Cookie area in the Wharf.

    Pizza Oom Mow Mow - Let it close, no real easy way to relocate it.

    So what to save, well, the restrooms on Bathroom row are needed, as it is a bit of a walk to other locations.

    Also the restroom next to Burger Invasion, located in the North West corner of the area, no need to rebuild them, so just leave it alone.

    The Pizza Omm Mow Mow and Burger Invasion buildings - Depending on the plans and what is needed for the planned Beer Garden, either leave them standing and re-theme them, or remove them for new structures.

    Other things in the area - the old Paradise Pier Hotel entrance, it can be removed, no use for it.

    Then you have a support building and some electrical equipment near the Golden Dreams Theater (just to the north-west). Both of these can be left and/or relocated, depending on the needs of the new attractions.

    So you have a pretty empty slate after everything is removed and bulldozed.

    The southern edge can be totally redone to allow for Wonderful World of Color seating, and support equipment (One plan has an lighthouse being built near where the Golden Zepher is currently, for the main show support). Also you could plan special seating on the west edge to match up with the Beer Garden to allow for reserved seating (at an additional price and/or food purchase).

    Then redo the Parade Route (not required, maybe just leave it with the new, shortened route, expanded if Carsland goes in the area).

    That leaves the north edge for the Little Mermaid Ride and the Ratatouille coaster on the Northern side. Also the timing of the new ride construction will match up with the DVC units that will be built just north of DCA in the area.

    Of course, in the Little Mermaid/Ratatouille area, add a shop or two, and some food stands, and then a lot of ODV especially in the evening hours for the Wonderful World of Color crowds gathering.

    Other things that will have to be addressed.

    More than likely Ariel's Grotto will have to close down their outside seating area while the lake is drained, or maybe they just place refurb walls up and enclose the patio area.

    The Cove Bar will have sight issues, maybe more refurb walls, close it or just leave it open. Also an option to move the area to the Wharf area, using the kitchens of the old Lucky Fortune Cookery for food and then a portable bar set-up for cocktails (beer is already in the area).

    What to do with Screamin' while the lake is drained? Maybe build some refurb walls just north of the tracks to block the empty lake and the majority of the constructions.

    Also you have some access issues with Maliboomer and the Sun Wheel, but if ToT is at a Dead End, I guess it can remain that way for a year or so.

    I specifically blocked off the current Parade Route gate, as IMHO it will be needed for construction access. A wall next to the Maliboomer exit could be designed to be used in case of an emergency to get people out quickly.

    But you still also need to address the remodeling of the area to match up more like what the Toy Story Mania! area will look like, so maybe you just close the entire area off (or at least anything west of the Screamin' exit and the restrooms) for a few months in the first months of 2008 to get everything done, and then reopen the area when Toy Story Mania! is ready to open. Hopefully by that time, the Lake itself has had everything installed and can be refilled, along with the northern edge of the lake remodel.

    That should allow most of the area to reopen and looking new with all the "plussing", while the Route 66 area remains closed for the entire year to continue major construction.

    Anyways, just some thoughts while waiting for the bulldozers to show up.
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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    I think Jumpin' Jellyfish could easily be relocated to A Bugs Land, and it SHOULD be. No use in losing another kid-friendly ride.

    Expand A Bugs Land a bit and put Jumpin' Jellyfish and another new ride there. Maybe a kiddie-coaster or something along the lines of Gadgets Go Coaster. Expand Heimlichs to go into the new area, this would be a nice and well-needed expansion to this area.

    I can't see them moving Mullholland Madness to Florida, already a mouse coaster there (2 if you want to get technical).

    I say make a bulk deal with Magic Mountain for Mullholland Madness, Zephyr, Orange Stinger and Rustworthy. (Yes Rustworthy serves no real purpose, but it's in good shape, and could fit easily in Bugs Bunny World). SFMM could use a more kid-friendly coaster. They have the room for it now. And adding more flat rides is a good thing there. Take out their stupid swings they have now and put Orange Stinger there.

    Orange stinger I guess 'could' go to A Bugs Land, but it's not real kid-friendly. I could possibly see this going to Florida, not sure where though. I'd like to see Disney get away from off-the-shelf rides.


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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?


    Can anyone direct me to a link as to what the actual plans are for the future of DCA? I haven't heard of a Beer Garden, or the Little Mermaid and Ratatouille rides. (where have I been?)

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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    I can't see SFMM wanting the Zepher, heck Valencia gets more winds and more often than DCA.

    I just don't see with the wind issues (I was going to say high winds, but it closes in low to moderate winds), why pay for a ride, and then pay to move it and install it when it won't operate a lot of time?

    Maybe the Santa Cruz Boardwalk, fits in with the park...
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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessY View Post

    Can anyone direct me to a link as to what the actual plans are for the future of DCA? I haven't heard of a Beer Garden, or the Little Mermaid and Ratatouille rides. (where have I been?)
    The majority of the info comes from Al Lutz's last update at MiceAge.

    http://www.miceage.com/allutz/al082807a.htm
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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    It sounds like with all the construction walls and the drained lake it will get a lot worse in DCA before it gets better. However, it's entirely worth all the work and reworking that will have to go into keeping the park open. Hopefully by having these upgrades done in phases it will soften the blow a little.
    It feels like a big experiment in a way. How can Disney, the king of theme parks, redo a theme park while keeping it open and it's guests happy? It will be interesting to see how this big puzzle fits together in the end.


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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    >>OK, looks like Route 66 is the main point of extreme makeover, not just for the Wonderful World of Color water show, but in removal of attractions, and seeing a lot of bulldozers.<<

    Hooray!

    >>Golden Dreams - Remove it, but place the film on DVD so the few fans who like it can buy it for there collection.<<

    Fine thing if someone could buy THAT on DVD and not Dr. Syn, The Monkey's Uncle, Disneyland Showtime, Zorro or anything with Ludwig vonDrake...! (But they should do a box set of former park films like this and Captain EO, America the Beautiful, Story of Oil, Mousketeer 3D Jamboree, etc etc.)

    >>Corn Dog Castle, either add the item at Farmer's Market, or build a Corn Dog Cart like the one on Main Street and place it on the Parade Route area near Wine Country Trattoria. Or maybe place it in the old Fortune Cookie area in the Wharf.<<

    Shouldn't there be Corn Dogs at Paradise Pier, since its traditional "fair food?" Can that stand be moved?

    >>Golden Zepher - Maybe move it to the Timon lot area, but it is limited due to winds, so let it go somewhere else.<<

    At least it's a nice-looking period thing. Can they tear down Maliboomer (a dominating visual blight and totally non-period) and put Zephyr there?

    >>(One plan has an lighthouse being built near where the Golden Zepher is currently, for the main show support). <<

    Yay! That could look beautiful. At one time, they had saved the gorgeous glass lantern from "Pete's Dragon" for use at Disneyland - - I wonder if they still have it?

    >>Expand Heimlichs to go into the new (Bugs) area, this would be a nice and well-needed expansion to this area.<<

    Heimlich definitely needs some real length of track around Bug Land...

    >>Orange Stinger might be able to stay, but more than likely just remove it and move/sell it.<<

    Keep the swings without the orange, period themed.
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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    I always thought that they would be closing the whole of PP (and each subsequent area) off completely, do all the construction work, and then re-open it to the public. Hmm... maybe not? IDK. I just don't want to see the Golden Zephyr removed- it looks so beautiful and really adds to the Victorian beach side park. If you do some Googling, you'll find that those rides were indeed around back at the turn of the last century. Sure, it makes me nauseous and I won't go on it again, probably, but it adds so much to the area, in the department of theme and beauty. It's one of the few things in the area that actually fits into the PP theme. If they do remove it, well... it was nice while it lasted. Either way, I can't wait for all the new additions and changes they're going to be making. Bring it on, Mr. Lassetter! Bring it on.

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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    If Disney was smart they would keep the Zepher not many are left in the world that are still working. Also if WDW got the Mullholland Madness where in the world would you put it? We arleady have two wild mouse coasters with the same lay out.

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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    Mr Darkbeer. Any idea on how much this will take out of the 1.2 billion?


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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    sounds like...chaos?
    hmmm...I wanna go on the little mermaid ride!!!

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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Mr Darkbeer. Any idea on how much this will take out of the 1.2 billion?
    Well, a lot of the Wonderful World of Color lagoon show is part of a different budget which has already been approved, and that includes some of the retrofitting for better seating. (not part of the $1.2 Billion)

    The Beer Garden, more than likely to be run by Karl Strauss will be paid for in part by the brewery, similar to what Mondavi Winery did, but at a lesser scale. Also, some money can come from the Foods department and the allocation of future selling of reserved seating.

    And based on costs of things like Toy Story Mania! and the Monsters, Inc. retrofit of part of the Hollywood backlot area, $150 to $200 million, or about 1/6th of the budget, for about 1/6th of the park. The larger area they close, the less expensive the construction is, as they can do things all at once and not have to worry about interfering with the operation of the park (Toy Story Mania! for example)

    As I understand it, another good percentage is going to the construction of Carsland (working title) in the Timon parking lot area, and then the Hollywood Picture Backlot area.

    That will take over half the budget, say 60%, leaving 40% for a new entrance area and plussing the other parts of the park.

    Of course, this is just educated guesses and based on past experence.
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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    Toy Story Mania! was a previously approved/separate budget too?

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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    In short... yup.

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    Re: What will happen to DCA in the next few months and what to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by merlinjones View Post
    (But they should do a box set of former park films like this and Captain EO, America the Beautiful, Story of Oil, Mousketeer 3D Jamboree, etc etc.)
    I would definitely buy that if they made it. They could add the 50th movie and hopefully HISTA someday soon.


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