Jungle Book Cruise?

[techskip]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer

I guess you don't disagree with the above statement. That's not a good reason for not changing / updating something and making it more relevant, in my opinion. That's why we both voted differently in the above poll.

My belief is that the Jungle was, and still can be, an amazing experience with a different trip every time IF the Skippers are willing to be creative and explore their own unique characters, and develop their own unique spiels. This has to be a conscious choice, made by the entire crew. It takes a little bit of coordination but it can be done, and has been done. It doesn't require a massive change to the physical Jungle, just a change in attitude amongst it's current crew.

If you have seen the spiel you'd know how many options they really have... I know.. because the I was part of the crew before them that helped re-write it! The Joke Submission program DOUBLED the spiel... DOUBLED the options and gave them a chance to experiment and not be outside the approved spiel. We gave them options that we didn't have, we opened our books and submitted our material in an attempt to improve the J.C. Spiel. Squandering those options is their choice, but I hope you can understand why I am a little bitter about that choice. Because that choice has led to threads like this one, which paint the Jungle as mundane and boring... I'd say in it's current state that opinion is not far off the mark!

[Princess Buttercup]

Originally Posted by techskip

Paris does not have a Jungle Cruise for a very simple reason. Water does this thing called "freeze" and that was specifically cited by Disney as to why France would not be a good enviroment to build an outdoor river based attraction.

Well I don't know if this is fact or rumor, but I do know that it can indeed be freezing cold in DL Paris. I was there in March a couple of years ago and I couldn't figure out why no one was smiling in DL until I smiled and it felt like my teeth were going to crack in half. I was also wearing thermal underwear , a wool coat, hat , scarf , mittens , socks and snow boots and I was still chilled to the bone.

Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer

Anyways, I was just testing the waters... to see what others thought... not proposing something to the Disney Board for serious consideration. Don't take it too seriously folks.

I think some of the overlays on rides every now and then can be fun. I'm not necessarily in favor of a Jungle Book cruise , but I do like some of the other changes in the last few years like the piranhas. It is absolutely hilarious to see newbies reactions to them I also would love it if when the skippers say that the hippos are going to squirt water that it would really happen every now and then. But I can also understand why it doesn't.


I don't think Disney needs to update every ride to make them more entertaining to today's children. Instead , I think it would be neat if parents and grandparents could have the kids of today view the movies the rides were first based on like African Queen and Swiss Family Robinson and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

[techskip]

Originally Posted by Princess Buttercup

but I do like some of the other changes in the last few years like the piranhas. It is absolutely hilarious to see newbies reactions to them

Personally I liked them better before they turned them the other way!

[IndyJn511]

I guess you don't disagree with the above statement. That's not a good reason for not changing / updating something and making it more relevant, in my opinion. That's why we both voted differently in the above poll.

I'm not sure whats not relavent about the Jungle Cruise? I mean... if thats your position, most of Disneyland is irrelevant, excluding the "futuristic" exhibitions in Tomorrowland.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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Well my random sampling of parkgoers at the one Disneyland park that DOESN'T have the Jungle Cruise, shows that they really don't miss it at all:

http://www.micechat.com/forums/showt...dlp-78848.html

Isn't that the definition of relevancy?

[Bad Wolf]

I think we will see Pixar characters in the Jungle Cruise before Jungle Book characters.

[MegaDisney]

No more cartoonization of the classic attractions...PLEASE!

[TrojanSkippa]

I've been reading some of the opinions on Jungle, and alot of them go along with the need of the latest generation to be constantly assaulted with shiny things and loud noises (the bang, bang of the guns not included). Most of the reactions in both this thread and the link provided by the OP have been of the "OMG, Jungle is soooooo boring" variety. I"m sure that there are more than a few people who would love to see Junge bulldozed in favor of something more exciting, but for me I love the thought that Jungle Cruise/Adventureland can transport me to a time and a place I'll never get to see. It's also a reminder of what a smaller world we lived in in 1955, when we didn't have streaming video and instant connections to deepest darkest Africa.

[IMAGINE]

I love jungle for its immersion where as in most other rides you get a glimpse of what things feel like, where as at jungle you truly are transported to a different world(with the right skip of course), just another thrill ride or even a ride with film characters would take away from the immersion of the place. Granted adding movie characters puts you in the movie, but its just a little nicer to be put in just a different part of the world....How cool would it be to be on the cruise with a slight fog through the jungle with the morning light creeping through....wondrous

[BoogaFrito]

Originally Posted by TrojanSkippa

I love the thought that Jungle Cruise/Adventureland can transport me to a time and a place I'll never get to see. It's also a reminder of what a smaller world we lived in in 1955, when we didn't have streaming video and instant connections to deepest darkest Africa.

I love jungle for its immersion where as in most other rides you get a glimpse of what things feel like, where as at jungle you truly are transported to a different world

Hmm. I find the Jungle Cruise to be one of the few rides which doesn't immerse me in another world; the non-stop string of winking, self-referential jokes by the skipper serves to directly remind you that you're sitting on a boat ride at Disneyland, looking at fake animals.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it is what it is. For me, an "immersive experience" it is not.

Though, a Jungle Book overlay would presumably take itself "seriously," so far as not constantly referring to itself as a theme park attraction. In this way it may actually render itself a more immersive...

[Tractor]

Originally Posted by TrojanSkippa

I've been reading some of the opinions on Jungle, and alot of them go along with the need of the latest generation to be constantly assaulted with shiny things and loud noises (the bang, bang of the guns not included). Most of the reactions in both this thread and the link provided by the OP have been of the "OMG, Jungle is soooooo boring" variety. I"m sure that there are more than a few people who would love to see Junge bulldozed in favor of something more exciting, but for me I love the thought that Jungle Cruise/Adventureland can transport me to a time and a place I'll never get to see. It's also a reminder of what a smaller world we lived in in 1955, when we didn't have streaming video and instant connections to deepest darkest Africa.

I remember hearing my dads stories as a child walking through Jungle Cruise when it still had no water in it. Of course this was in 1955 before the park opened and was some of his earliest memory's as a child. I would ride Jungle again and again even though the new crappy skippers can't tell a good joke and they get stale really fast. The only thing that I would like to see be done to the ride is maybe replacing the figures with more modern ones of the same exact ones and maybe adding a few more scenes and taking it further out of the berm. However I don't think it will happen

[techskip]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer

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Well my random sampling of parkgoers at the one Disneyland park that DOESN'T have the Jungle Cruise, shows that they really don't miss it at all:

http://www.micechat.com/forums/showt...dlp-78848.html

Isn't that the definition of relevancy?

I read the entire thread as of 6:13PM... so if they add more all the more to them. The reasons cited varied from lack of excitement, to wanting Indy, to a severe language barrier (7+ Eurpoean languages). If you are going to use this as a valid argument for changing the J.C. at least be willing to state all the facts, including the fact that several on there WANTED the J.C. in one form or another. And I wouldn't say "random sampling of park goers" unless they actually LIVE and GO to DLP on a regular basis. You posted on the Paris board, you didn't walk thorough the gates of DLP and start asking people how they felt.

Besides there is gunfire on the J.C. and we wouldn't want everyone to toss up their hands and scream "I surrender" on every trip!

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

Originally Posted by techskip

I read the entire thread as of 6:13PM... so if they add more all the more to them. The reasons cited varied from lack of excitement, to wanting Indy, to a severe language barrier (7+ Eurpoean languages). If you are going to use this as a valid argument for changing the J.C. at least be willing to state all the facts, including the fact that several on there WANTED the J.C. in one form or another. And I wouldn't say "random sampling of park goers" unless they actually LIVE and GO to DLP on a regular basis. You posted on the Paris board, you didn't walk thorough the gates of DLP and start asking people how they felt.

Besides there is gunfire on the J.C. and we wouldn't want everyone to toss up their hands and scream "I surrender" on every trip!

I posted the link for people to look for themselves. The only real "A JC in Paris would be nice" people were readers from the United States who liked the idea in principle. The ones from UK and France, apart from one French poster who visits the US parks, were all in favor of something else going in instead.

[TrojanSkippa]

Originally Posted by BoogaFrito

Hmm. I find the Jungle Cruise to be one of the few rides which doesn't immerse me in another world; the non-stop string of winking, self-referential jokes by the skipper serves to directly remind you that you're sitting on a boat ride at Disneyland, looking at fake animals.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it is what it is. For me, an "immersive experience" it is not.

Though, a Jungle Book overlay would presumably take itself "seriously," so far as not constantly referring to itself as a theme park attraction. In this way it may actually render itself a more immersive...

That's the thing about the WFJC, it's a completly different experience every time. these days, that skipper probably uses the self referential *wink,wink* jokes every time, where as I and other skips would have used the first few minutes to feel out the crew and see what kind of speil to use.

How cool would it be to be on the cruise with a slight fog through the jungle with the morning light creeping through....wondrous

The word "cool" does not even begin to describe the feeling I had driving that first boat through the Jungle for an Animation check. Especially in the Winter time, with the morning fog creeping over the Jungle..no guests, sometimes a little drizzle. You could foget this was a fake jungle, with fake animals. It was exactly how I pictured it in my mind when I was a child wondering what it would be like be a skipper on the Jungle Cruise.

[techskip]

Wow the "don't touch it" crowd seems to be winning by a landslide followed in close second by "let's refresh the AA's but keep it J.C." Somewhere back there grabs the bicnoculars, yes I think I see it, says "do something temporary". Probably behind that is "make it permanent", "theme it to movie", and "tear it out", but I'm not sure of their places because I don't have a telescope so I can't be sure!

If you wish to go with random population sampling then look at the 50th O.C. Register survey. Of those polled (somewhere in the thousands not sure of exact number) Jungle Skipper was picked as the #2 dream job to have. We lost to WDI and tied with VIP tour guide. These are people who enjoy Jungle, ride Jungle, and in this case would enjoy working Jungle. The J.C. has a diehard following, it may not always be full but it's rarely completely empty (as in empty boats and line... other attractions have this).