Jungle Book Cruise?

[fo'c's'le swab]

In the context of CA's claim, however, Jungle Book is not mentioned, just 'big changes' and that is to what I was referring.

Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer

64 people above think that there needs to be big changes in some form.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

I'm not claiming a majority like the JUNGLE BOOK OVERLAY.

But a majority think the ride needs some serious help in some form, whether it's the two who want a JB Movie overlay or the two who say bulldoze it and build other attractions, to the ones who like the theme of the ride but want to "replace and update some of the animatronics but keep the original storyline the same".

It's not working right now, that's why you yourself won't even ride it techskip. You blame the current boring spiels. I agree the spiels are boring but think the AA effects are just so dated and stale that it's barely a step up from the Grand Canyon diorama.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

P.S. This is one of those times you have to seperate:

Jungle Cruise: The nostalgia, the legend, the old classic you remember from your youth

with

Jungle Cruise: The attraction that in 2007 looks dated and stale, nobody wants to ride it anymore, and the Politically Correct manual ordained spiels just don't work.

The spiels were a good crutch to get over the hokeyness of the AAs, back when the spiels could be original and funny.

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer

I'm not claiming a majority like the JUNGLE BOOK OVERLAY.

But a majority think the ride needs some serious help in some form, whether it's the two who want a JB Movie overlay or the two who say bulldoze it and build other attractions, to the ones who like the theme of the ride but want to "replace and update some of the animatronics but keep the original storyline the same".

It's not working right now, that's why you yourself won't even ride it techskip. You blame the current boring spiels. I agree the spiels are boring but think the AA effects are just so dated and stale that it's barely a step up from the Grand Canyon diorama.

I completely agree that the AA's need to be moved around and updated, in fact I believe I posted a rather extensive thread on MC specifically related to that. It ended up being an interesting story because WDI has that paper... and I never realized my Management team handed it over when I left!

However I do not feel that the majority wanted a Jungle Book overlay and that is specifically what I was referring to. I was under the impression that you felt the majority wanted the overlay, and that is what I was specifically addressing.

As far as not riding the ride, for me it would be difficult to enjoy it without being critical because I worked it. I have extremely high standards when it comes to Jungle. That said I also do not have an AP, so when I visit the park it is due to the kindness of my friends sign-in pass. I go to enjoy the park, and I do visit the dock, but it's hard for me to ride it. It has nothing to do with it being boring, and everything to do with me being overly critical because I worked it, because I am a Skipper.

Even if you had an All-Star crew that is still only half the show, I would gladly welcome additions to the Jungle, I want additions to the Jungle, and I fought for additions to the Jungle while I worked there.

[aashee]

Please, let's have Florida conduct the vote so we have true accuracy.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

Originally Posted by aashee

Please, let's have Florida conduct the vote so we have true accuracy.

I like that idea...

Everybody voting should spend the day at Animal Kingdom, then hop over to Magic Kingdom and go on Jungle Cruise. Then give us your feedback.

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Because I can't find it specifically here goes...

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I have put a great deal of thought into this. My experiences as both a Skipper and a parent have allowed me to see the Jungle through the eyes of a child. I know that there will probably not be another refurbishment for some time but I thought I would toss this in. I had planned on printing it out and handing it in but my new job started much sooner then I had anticipated.

Boathouse Band Loop expansion- During peak season Indy uses Upper 1 of the boathouse to maintain their own line. Our band stage hasn't been used in a long time. It would require the removal of a branch but the area is already a natural extension of the band loop. With minimal work the band loop can be doubled in size. This would also allow extra time before Upper 2 is opened. I would also recommend re routing the line in the band loop because several areas are extremely narrow due to badly placed props.

Native hut in the lagoon- I have included a picture of the old native hut and catamaran. The old design is more authentic and would add to the show. Because the lagoon is smaller and the boathouse is closer I would recommend building it larger and possibly closer to the catwalk.

Toucans- During the last refurbishment the toucans were moved into the rain forest. The problem with the current location is that they are extremely difficult for the guests to see. If they were moved across the river to the other bank, possibly near the Indy dock it would be easier to see and it would provide Skippers with the option of butterflies or toucans. Also add small old world monkeys, air AA’s similar to the technology used in Tiki. There are a variety of simple movements such as tails, hands, and swinging that can be easily duplicated. A rainforest should be full of life, not 3 butterflies and a couple toucans.

Sunken City interlace a combination of old archways and rainforest along the Indy exit to give context to this currently dead area. There should be a gradual change from rainforest to city, not a "Boom here we are" which is the current effect.

Bob- Bob looks great from Indy's exit however from the boat it is extremely awkward to look behind you and up just to catch a fleeting glimpse of the monkey idol. If he is turned around and lowered, possibly near the first archway, it would be visible from both Indy and Jungle. This would also work with a landslide effect and various articles in ruins placed on the berm

Crocs- I would add another croc snapping on the other side of the boat as well as two crocs on the right bank. It would be an impressive animation trick if they could duplicate how crocs slide into the water, that splash and the subsequent snapping would really bring the temple to life.

Spiders- Add air driven animations that actually drop down towards the boat on the outside edges. they would need to be placed out of reach of guests but still give the impression of attacking the boat. This effect would be simple to accomplish. Also alternate the drop pattern and continue it until the boat was clear of the arch, a sensor placed in the archway could achieve this effect.

Elephant Pool- The Elephant pool is absolutely amazing, The only addition I could think of is possibly 3 to 5 elephants on the left side (1 or 2 adults and some calves). If you added animation on both sides it would give the impression of navigating through the herd.

Gorilla Camp- having a dock across from the camp was originally discussed during the last rehab. This would allow for a ricochet effect and add to the sense of danger.

African Veldt- The entire placement of the animals just looks odd. I know that the Imagineers wanted to add a drinking Giraffe. If they moved the giraffes to the left side of the river (on the island near the large turnout) they would be able to add the drinker. I would also move the Zebras around and mix them in with the Gnu. If there was a budget I would also add more Gnu, they usually number in at a million or more, with a couple thousand Zebra. It would be possible with 3 or 4 more Gnu to give the appearance of the herd crossing the river. In the wild a Giraffe will only drink if it is completely safe from lions and even then only if 2 or 3 others are standing guard. To have Giraffes eating from the trees, one drinking, and several Impala along with a zebra or Gnu would really be a sight. It would completely immerse the Guests in that scene.

Trapped Safari- The trapped safari is probably one of the most memorable scenes. The only addition I could think of is moving the hyenas over slightly and adding a baby rhino attacking some of the safari’s gear (also added of course)

Hippo Pool- C curve has a blind spot that prevents you from seeing the trapped safari once you have entered the hippo pool. Imagineers talked about adding a sunken boat. I believe it should be cut in half, half on one side of the curve and half on the other. They could add a smoke effect to the smoke stack. I would also recommend floating debris in the water and various pieces of the boat and cargo strewn about on the banks. This is a great opportunity to make the pool “dangerous” and also explain the loss of the Mekong and the Maggie.

Native Village- Add more spears with skulls on them. Make the entrance more forbidding. Place Natives on both sides of the ambush and add blowguns. IF they are able to duplicate Indy’s air cannon effect it would enhance the entire scene.

Piranhas- Take out the shrine or enhance it by making it authentic to Mayan culture. Add a jaguar on the left bank near the second rock on the left side. The jaguar would really add to the effect of being in the Amazon. The Jaguar is one of many symbols of Mayan culture, having a combination of stone carved shrine and an actual cat would completely immerse guests in that enviroment.

The Jungle Cruise is an amazing attraction. I knew I wanted to be a Jungle Skip when I was 4. I did it when I was 18. I realize these enhancements may never be made but if they serve as an inspiration then it was worth the effort.

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... So any other ideas? I had meant to hand it to WDI personally because I knew several of them from the Jungle Rehab, however my new position opened much sooner and I was left with either holding on to this, or handing it to my Management team. I chose the second option. I was informed (recently) that this is technically company property because I handed it over prior to leaving and that I can not claim credit if any of these enhancements are done. I was also informed that several are under serious consideration. I could care less about credit, if this helps the J.C. or in any way inspires others to do so then my job is done!

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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Hey wait a minute, I thought you voted "I like it just fine". J/K

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer

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Hey wait a minute, I thought you voted "I like it just fine". J/K

voted replace and update but keep storyline the same. I also submitted approximately 70 jokes, no exact numbers on what did and did not make it. Leaving was bittersweet, I looked forward to time with my family and more money, but I was closing a chapter of my life that was full of many wonderful memories. I did what I could to give back before I left... sorry if I take things rather personal when it comes to Jungle. That is the reason I chose not to ride, because in my heart I know I would want to be the one up there, and I would constantly critique their spiel in the same way I always critiqued my own.

[TrojanSkippa]

Originally Posted by aashee

Please, let's have Florida conduct the vote so we have true accuracy.

You'd have to rework the poll so that is excludes minorities from voting first, and then someone's brother who guaranteed a win for thier side would have to do the final count.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

Originally Posted by TrojanSkippa

You'd have to rework the poll so that is excludes minorities from voting first, and then someone's brother who guaranteed a win for thier side would have to do the final count.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

This picture looks like the characters are already on set at the Jungle Cruise.

Looks more entertaining than what they've got going on now.

[TrojanSkippa]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer

This picture looks like the characters are already on set at the Jungle Cruise.

Looks more entertaining than what they've got going on now.

So you're argument is that Disney should replce a 50 year old attraction, with a 40 year old movie...whose references and vernacular is distinctivly grounded in the 60's?

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

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It would be lively and entertaining, not a sarcastic ride where 'you're tourists looking at fake animals listening to jokes about the whole experience.'

At least the skippers could make humorous jokes that tied into the movie. And the Jungle Book movie was pretty funny, if I remember correctly.

So even though the Jungle Book is an old property, it seems like a natural fit.

[HBG2]

The JC is "lively and entertaining" exactly as it is. I wouldn't make the argument myself, and I would ultimately disagree, but I would pay respectful attention to an argument that it is the best all-around ride in Disneyland. Yes, I'm serious; a reasonable case could be made. Saying that you and your friends find it boring says more about you and your friends than it does about this perennially popular ride, which has one of the widest audience appeals of any major attraction.

A Jungle Book overlay would utterly ruin it. This is a grab-the-torches-and-pitchforks bad idea.