View Poll Results: The current version of Tomorrowland is...

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  • ...set in the future - once in the land, you are supposed to be in the future.

    6 12.50%
  • ...set in the present - it's futuristic, but you're not supposed to be *in* the future.

    4 8.33%
  • ...set in the future as seen from the past (could be an alternate version of the present)

    13 27.08%
  • ...too thematically muddled to be able to tell when or where it's supposed to be set.

    23 47.92%
  • Other.

    2 4.17%
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  1. #1

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    Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    This is a debate that came up in the "Absolute Weight of Theme" thread and I thought it would be an interesting topic for a poll.

    Personally, I am currently wavering between Options #1 and #4.

    When the park opened, it was definitely Option 1 - on the Opening Day TV special (1955) Bob Cummings clearly states that the land was set in 1986.

    I'm fairly certain Tomorrowland '98 was supposed to be Option #3, taking a cue from Disneyland Paris' Discoveryland.

    However, this poll is about the current Tommorowland...and I'm not sure

    I'm only sure that it's not Option #2 - which is exactly what someone in the other thread was arguing in favor of.

    The plaques on the entrance tunnels state:

    "HERE YOU LEAVE TODAY AND ENTER THE WORLD OF YESTERDAY, TOMORROW AND FANTASY"

    (capitalized because that's how it appears on the plaque - I'm not shouting

    Even if there is debate over what is meant by Tomorrow (as there was in the other thread), "HERE YOU LEAVE TODAY" seems clear to me. If the idea is that in entering Disneyland you leave today, then neither Tomorrowland nor any other land can be set in the present, or at least not the ordinary present that we live in.
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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    I think the Imagineers strayed from the original concept of featuring new technologies and things to come because there's so many other venues that can do it too. So, I think they're just happy to tie in movie themes that even remotely remind people of space and the future. Last time I was there, in 2006, they were still doing the introduction in Innovations about the Segway. That's kind of old, don't ya think?

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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    Are you Kidding me?



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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    I think that it was supposed to be what people from the past viewed what the future will be (the Jules Verne info). I think it worked for DLP because it is Discoveryland, not Tomorrowland. Besides even with the update it didn't look too futuristic anyways.
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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    The rethemeing from 98 was a huge dissapointment when I saw it for the first time. I couldn't but keep asking where is the furture in all of this? It looked like Da Vinci was all over the place...
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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    Just wondering, is the old Tomorrowland Terrace back? With the old white planter? I loved that!

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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by animagusurreal View Post
    The plaques on the entrance tunnels state:

    "HERE YOU LEAVE TODAY AND ENTER THE WORLD OF YESTERDAY, TOMORROW AND FANTASY"

    (capitalized because that's how it appears on the plaque - I'm not shouting

    Even if there is debate over what is meant by Tomorrow (as there was in the other thread), "HERE YOU LEAVE TODAY" seems clear to me. If the idea is that in entering Disneyland you leave today, then neither Tomorrowland nor any other land can be set in the present, or at least not the ordinary present that we live in.
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    Excellent point about the entry plaque that I failed to acknowledge in the "Absolute Weight" thread.

    I think Tomorrowland, up until 1998, was supposed to be the future. Once they went with the 1998 theming, the original intent for the land was muddled and changed. So I want to vote for #1, but I think Tomorrowland in its current state is probably #4.

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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    at one point TL seemed to be what people imagined the future might look like but now it's just shinny things that look futureistic & movie tie-ins
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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterGracey View Post
    Excellent point about the entry plaque that I failed to acknowledge in the "Absolute Weight" thread. .
    Well, that would be a powerful argument if all the attractions and exhibits in Tomorrowland when that plaque was installed were in the future, but they weren't.

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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    If you believe Tomorrowland occurs in the future then surely you have a problem with the Star Wars attractions as Star Wars takes place "a long, long time ago."

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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    I thought of the Star Tours thing, too, but if it is also far, far away, then aren't light years involved? Couldn't the things that happened on, say, Tatooine actually be happening in the future but the time travel has gotten it all messed up?

    LOL, just being silly.


    So what DID happen in '98? I was still very much in my anti-big-corporation time at that point, and wasn't even *thinking* about DL...

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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    Nope, Tomorrowland should be called. "Retroland" not to be confused with Retroville which is the theme park in Jimmy Neutron.


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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    Even originally, Tomorrowland was a mixed bag. It had elements of the future – Mission to the Moon and Autopia (kind of) and Circarama; examples of future products – Hall of Chemistry and Aluminum Hall of Fame; and assorted other attractions that didn’t really connect to anything in particular – Animation Pavilion and 20,000 leagues Under the Sea.

    A few changes through the ensuing years added to the future aspect – Monorail, Flying Saucers, Subs, House of the Future, etc. enhanced the ‘future’ aspect of the land.

    When they did the major 1967 update, they more of less topped off the ‘future’ aspects of the land. But it still wasn't 'the future you were actually in'.

    The 1998 version tried to give a retroactive ‘future as envisioned from the past’, very much like Discoveryland in Disneyland Paris. Much of the reasoning for going in that direction came about due to the deterioration and lack of maintenance (very important in keeping a shiny white “tomorrow” feel to the land) due to budget cutbacks by Pressler. Unfortunately, even the budget for that entire land rehab was so limited that it’s surprising they got as much as they did.

    Overall, though, the land has never really been totally a ‘future you are in’. at best it was a mix of that and ‘what the future holds’.

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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by bfdf55 View Post
    Overall, though, the land has never really been totally a ‘future you are in’. at best it was a mix of that and ‘what the future holds’.
    Exactly, well said. But what I don't get it is, what is wrong with that?

    I don't understand the passion/conviction on the topic - the land had a loose theme (futuristic/progress/tomorrow/space/etc.) and they built great attractions over the years and the loose theme has morphed as needed.

    It is a land in a theme park - why does it have to have rules in concrete? It is as if people have a vested interest in there being some biblical themeing structure.

    Just enjoy it and go with it and take a ride on the Midget Autopia....

    Wait, I mean the Midget Autopia of the Future, Future, Future.....

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    Re: Is Tomorrowland Set In the Future?

    Quote Originally Posted by rgrant999 View Post
    Exactly, well said. But what I don't get it is, what is wrong with that?

    I don't understand the passion/conviction on the topic - the land had a loose theme (futuristic/progress/tomorrow/space/etc.) and they built great attractions over the years and the loose theme has morphed as needed.
    Of course, there's nothing wrong with a land that IS held to the theme and immerses you in the environment. It just has to be done properly. In Tomorrowland, that is just very hard to accomplish. They did try to do it with their Tomorrowland 2055 concept from a couple of decades or so ago. Hard to tell how that might have turned out, but it sounded interesting.

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