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    Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    I'm still in a conflict with The Little Mermaid's ride location. From there I had other ideas.

    Put TLM in the backstage area behind CA Screamin's west helix where Maliboomer is now (I know there's a backstage structure here, but I think that could be moved elsewhere). Facade, entry, & exit in the helix with the queue descending underground to go under the coaster tracks into the show buliding and giving the effect you're walking under the sea. I'd prefer the omnimover version if it would mean an overtrack flying carpet ride for "The Three Caballeros" in a desert/Mexican/Spanish setting.

    Perhaps Jumpin Jellyfish can be inbetween TLM entry & exit and across the walkway have a double-decker King Triton Carousel.

    The Golden Dreams Theater, Route 66, San Francisco alley, Pacific Wharf, and the area where the Cars E-ticket is proposed... land used for Discovery Bay. The new parade route could remain, meaning west of the parade route is Discovery Bay and east of it (near Bugs land & TOT) is "Cars Land"/ desert themed area.

    Now for the new E-ticket for Paradise Pier... located where Pizza Oom Mow Mow is now and the backstage area behind it. A "Shoot the Chutes" themed ride but with the modern water coaster technology. I haven't thought of any good theme ideas yet, maybe readers have one. So far I'm stuck with nautical/marine myths & legends like the Kraken (trying to stay away from Atlantis like in Sea World).

    "Shoot the Chutes":
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<obje...mbed></object>

    The huge backstage structure for this indoor section of the ride would be themed to the Hotel del Coronado (http://images.google.com/images?svnu...ronado&spell=1). OR, the walls from the outside could look like Hotel del Coronado, but from in the ride, it has an outdoor theme. The flume drop would go under the walkway/parade route and into the lagoon. But the flume is separate from the lagoon water (like Splash Mountain is to Rivers of America). The outer rim is themed like a rock bank and the inner rim is themed as a sand bar. After the splash down in the lagoon, boats immediately make a U-turn and return to the show building. Splash down could be between where the current Orange Stinger & Golden Zephyr is. That green beacy patch of land could go out. HOWEVER, I couldn't imagine the water coaster being as large & tall as the water coaster pics & videos I've seen. So it should be condensed enough to be easily managed in the proposed area for DCA.

    Sea World San Diego's Journey to Atlantis:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<obje...mbed></object>

    Sea World San Antonio's Journey to Atlantis:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<obje...mbed></object>

    Europa Park's Poseidon:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<obje...mbed></object>

    Water Coaster:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<obje...mbed></object>

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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    Wait... Was that Spaceship Earth in the middle of Europa park??????


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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    Wow, thanks for those videos!

    Not sure if you meant to do this, but those two Sea World Poseidon videos are a good argument for how not to build a water coaster at DCA. Especially the San Antonio version, which seemed rather pointless.

    But even the more elaborate and longer San Diego version shows just how much better Disney rides are usually. The San Diego coaster has about 60% themeing, but they've let all the details go untouched. The exposed track, the bored looking employees in baggy polo shirts slouched around the loading area, the exposed JBL speakers everywhere, the bizarre and meaningless plotline, the stunning view of... the parking lot, etc., etc.

    The San Antonio version was even worse. What is the point exactly? And could that on-ride audio be any more trashy and annoying? "Okay riders, let's get ready to sccrreeaaaam!"

    There is great potential for a shoot-the-chutes type ride at DCA. One even showed up on early concept art for Paradise Pier. But let's hope they don't do anything like the lightly themed and incoherently presented water coasters at the Sea World parks. Perhaps a boat dark ride could be built behind the northern flank of California Screamin, and then as the big finale' the boats come out of the building and splash down into the lagoon a la' the wonderful old footage from classic amusement parks?

    That could work for DCA. But the Sea World coasters are very corny looking, and only minimally themed and presented.
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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    I think that a shoot the chutes type ride would work well, especially in the area that you pointed out. I'm just not sure if DCA would be willing to add in another water ride when they already have Grizzly Peak. If they did do a water coaster, I agree with TP2000 in saying that they must theme it well and use elaborate detailing. I think that it would succeed if that was done. Great idea!
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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Wait... Was that Spaceship Earth in the middle of Europa park??????
    I noticed that as well.


    This is off topic, but WOW the Atlantis ride in Antonio looks absolutely terrible. The guy seemed embarrassed to have it filmed.

    I really do like the idea of having a Shoot the Chutes ride in DCA, it would fit with the new Victorian style of the pier. Just as long as it's better than the Atlantis rides.

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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    I remember the concept art for a DCA Shoot the Chutes as well. It circled around CA Screamin' track. But I think there would be issues there, especially if the track goes over the parade route, which should be avoided at all costs (that includes a new monorail track).

    Anyways, thanks. Anyone have any good themeing/story ideas?? I still can't think of a good one.

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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneylandrocks55 View Post
    This is off topic, but WOW the Atlantis ride in Antonio looks absolutely terrible. The guy seemed embarrassed to have it filmed.
    I watched the San Antonio Atlantis video again. My gawd, it's just pathetic. Seriously, what is even the point? Why did they even bother with the tiny bit of theme they did attempt? They could have saved that money and put in a new salad bar in the employee cafeteria or something. And those turntables at the top? Dumb and dumber.

    And here I had thought Anheuser-Busch generally does a good job with their parks. Apparently not in Texas.

    I have been a critic of DCA for years. But when you look at these videos of what other theme parks are offering up in their big new rides, you realize how even a Disney park from the Pressler era on a bad day is usually vastly superior to any other themed experience.

    And then when you think about what they will be doing to DCA in the next four or five years to fix it, you realize how truly good we have it in Anaheim. I'm not saying Disneyland Resort circa 2012 will be a perfect utopia, but it will certainly lock down the title of one of the premier theme park properties in the world.

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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    San Diego's themeing pales in comparison to the Orlando version. San Diego's coaster part looks over the lovely parking lot--Orlando's doesn't, thankfully. I'll attempt to find a ridethrough video on youtube.

    I'm not sure how I'd feel about a "shoot the chutes" ride at DCA though-- I think it'd work well, themeatically, but I'm not a huge fan of the rides themselves, normally.

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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    A shoot the chutes would be awesome, especially if there was splashdown in the lagoon like all those old amusement parks.

    I agree with being very reticent about the placement of the TLM dark ride. I'm excited for the ride but the location really doesn't work for me. But then again I'm one of those nabobs who objects to Monsters Inc in Tomorrowland so whatever...

    I just posted in another thread that TLM had always been my idea for the theme for a "Tunnel of Love" evocative flume-based dark ride. It would be perfect for the Pier and continue the theme of those old amusement park ride genres.

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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    Quote Originally Posted by TwilitWings View Post
    I'm not sure how I'd feel about a "shoot the chutes" ride at DCA though-- I think it'd work well, themeatically, but I'm not a huge fan of the rides themselves, normally.
    I'm not a huge fan of big drops either.

    Quote Originally Posted by MiklCraw4d View Post
    I agree with being very reticent about the placement of the TLM dark ride. I'm excited for the ride but the location really doesn't work for me. But then again I'm one of those nabobs who objects to Monsters Inc in Tomorrowland so whatever...

    I just posted in another thread that TLM had always been my idea for the theme for a "Tunnel of Love" evocative flume-based dark ride. It would be perfect for the Pier and continue the theme of those old amusement park ride genres.
    I don't agree with a Monsters, Inc. attraction in Tomorrowland either. Using the closet door portals is still a reach for me.

    I remember the "Tunnel of Love" chat as well. I think when it comes down to it, an attraction like this may not pull in the crowds. But I would still love a reference to it. Like a poster or photo op

    Here's something to maybe get people's mind going about a "chute" theme. Watching this reminded me of "Raging Spirits". Something with a fire & water theme would work nice. Here's "Escape from Pompeii":
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<obje...mbed></object>

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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    I don't have many other thoughts on this other than to say that San Antonio ride just might be one of the most pointless things I've ever seen in an amusement park.

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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    This may be a far-fetched idea... but I'll post anyways. Maybe it will inspire someone for a better theme.

    The Pompeii video lead me to Fantasia 2000 with that Mother Nature & Fire Bird segment (sorry I don't know the actual name of the segment)... to thinking of "BraviSEAmo"... to thinking about "Journey to the Center of the Earth"... particularly the Lava Monster.

    So Disney guests ride a carnvial shoot-the-chute flume ride inspired by "Journey to the Center of the Earth" (or something like that):

    Maybe from the loading area, the boat moves into a vertical shaft, but while it goes up, the cage makes it look like you're going down????

    1) 1st theme is a glowing cavern & storm similar to the Tokyo Disney Sea attraction. Into darkness & a coaster section

    2) The boat is lead to an "ice cavern" theme, encounter creatures, and an ice princess. Boats go into a cavern with the fog screen effect projected to look like boats are going through the waterfall. Into complete darkness & coaster section.

    3) Boats enter a "volcanic" theme with erupting gysers & lavaflows. Rocks titter & totter. Rockwall cracking from the intense heat. Turn a corner and encounter the dead end. Suddenly the rock work infront of you moves as the boat spins on a turntable. The lava monster awakens infront of you. It strikes just as the boat coaster sections into darkness backwards.

    4) Boat spins around with the HKDL Jungle Cruise climax show element.

    5) Boat slips by the Lava Monster on one side while Ice Princess on the other side of the boat fights off with the Monster. Floating by, a white water erupts directly infront of the boat, settles down, and a water tunnel spins into action that allows the boat to float through it. A thick water mist blocks your view.

    6) Boat drops into Paradise Lagoon in the water near the Jumpin' Jellyfish (which I would like to get remove). And makes U-turn back to station. Careful of the water splashed down by the boat behind you.

    I know it seems a bit odd. But it's a start.

    Journey to the Center of the Earth:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=SaNUGugbEZU

    Ice Age Adventure: (I would like your attention at the ice caverns section and the "cracking" effect along the wall)
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=p2ZXnQoh1EI

    HKDL Jungle Cruise climax show element:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=zn4iD7Ttdd8

    Poseidon's Fury's: (either use the water tunnel featured at the end of this video or water sprays on both sides of the boat spraying streams of water that splashes on the water side create a tunnel effect)
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q1BOu36U8yw
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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    I water dark ride type attraction could be fitting, perhaps something of this type could work for the disney villains coaster?
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    Re: Shoot the Chutes for DCA

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Wait... Was that Spaceship Earth in the middle of Europa park??????
    That's the structure for the EuroSat indoor coaster (I almost said 'EuroMir', but that's a different coaster at Europa. Good thing I checked.)

    Europa Park is owned by the German ride manufacturer Mack, and they use the place to showcase their rides.

    I understand they're a quality ride manufacturer, but it seems their idea of the height of creativity in theming is to blatantly rip off Disney. To be fair, they have some pretty cool original stuff too.


    Anyway... I like the idea of a Chute the Chutes/Old Mill/Tunnel of Love attraction for Paradise Pier. Of course, it would have to have an extensive dark ride section before the splashdown.


    And, yeah, SeaWorld California's 'Atlantis' is pretty much pointless, while the SeaWorld Texas version is completely pointless. The person or persons responsible for that atrocious 'narration' or whatever on the lift hill are clearly in the wrong business.

    "Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls! Prepare to get soaking wet! Let me hear you SCREEEEEEEEEEAM!" (5 second pause) "Ladies and gentlemen, boys..."

    Ugh. Fire. That. Person. And I mean yesterday. This is a major theme park, not a three-ride carnival in a Kmart parking lot.

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