Al Lutz 2005 article about Main Street Christmas Loop:

[sir clinksalot]

Also, for those of us who did the first gumball rally, we got a disc of all of the old articles that are now archived. I have it at home, but not sure how to post it. I could however list the albums ... in all of my free time.

[daddyb]

Originally Posted by daddyb

I've been working on this project for several weeks now and am having NO luck in finding the "David Rose" album. Neither "The David Rose Christmas Album" or the reissue that was titled "The Little Drummer Boy". There were a couple of ebay auctions where the album was in a mixed lot of Christmas vinyl, but I missed out on both by dumb (bad) luck! ARGH!

I've even got TWO of the "Lawrence Welk "Silent Night and 13 Other Best Loved Christmas Songs" because the first one I bought off Amazon was unplayable even after physically cleaning it and then scrubbing the wav file as best I could with Adobe's Audition software (formerly CoolEdit).

MUCH of the music in the loop is available for free download on the web now, since most of it has never been released on CD. Including the Ed Sullivan album and even the individual tracks by Hollyridge Strings (the song is also available on the release "Christmas Favorites by the Hollyridge Strings") and Hollywood Pops Orchestra. I was even able to find "The Christmas Tree" by David Rose online for free. Google is your friend.

HINT: Don't forget (as Al Lutz mentions) that the Felix Slatkin "Lhr Kinderlein Kommet" is listed incorrectly on the album "Season's Greetings" as "I heard The Bells" so when you find that album, don't think that it's not there. It's just got the wrong track title on it.

It's just the rest of that dang "David Rose" album that I can't find. One guy has a Cassette of it, but wants almost $90 for it. Another person I found has the album, but wants $25 for it!!! I want it, but not that bad!

I have a CORRECTED list from my searchings these past few weeks... what's online is currently not quite correct. I'm sending the updated file to Kirsten who runs disneymusicloops, but for now this is the correct list, and available here:
Also, I have it listed by ALBUM

If you have Excel and prefer the file that way, just change the link to the .xls extension and download it that way.

[Neverlandtink]

What is it about this Christmas loop that we love so much? Is it the combination of Disneyland/Christmas? Does it evoke special memories? I know the Christmas Waltz did it for me. It reminds a sentimental Christmas ornament that you've had for years and enjoy finding in your box of decorations. I'm just glad to know I'm not the only Disneylander who loves it so much. Every year I wonder and hope that some stooge in a suit doesn't come along and change it out!

I purchased this one on Ebay yesterday ~ It's got quite a few loop songs on it!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEAFB:IT

[Pisces]

Ask yourself when's the last time a Disney Park, has played all non-Disney songs in one of their loops?


It's probably a good thing most of those songs are out-of-print. If current albums were available, Disneyland would have to pay royalties to the labels.

As it is, I wonder if any of the artists, or the artist's estates are being compensated?

You know if South Coast Plaza, or Fashion Island plays your songs, you get compensation, each time........nevermind that SCP is one of the highest grossing malls.

So, certainly if Disneyland is playing your songs, day after day, you'd expect some compensation, maybe even a percentage ???

The thing is, way back when Disney signed contracts with these artists, Christmas may not have been the big moneymaker it is today.

I could see artists like Lawrence Welk and Ed Sullivan, and their estates, signing waivers, especially if it's just a Christmas thing.

Rita Ford's Music Box songs are available, but nobody knows who Rita Ford is (Ouch) so even without compensation, it's still great PR.

In any case, you have to wonder how Disney got clearance, in the first place, to play these songs, and whether that would go on into perpetuity.

If you notice, Leroy Anderson's 'Sleighride' is played at the Main Gate, or was last year.

Someone has to be compensated for use of that----or perhaps the estate of Leroy Anderson, and the record label, simply makes the song available, free of charge, to vendors who want to use it during Holiday time?

[CUatDL]

I found quite a few of the Music Box Christmas and the Lawrence Welk White Christmas on iTunes.

Also found Jingle Bell Rock by the Hollyridge Strings (in a slightly different arangement) on iTunes.

A lot of these are just going to be hard to come by, too bad Disney won't publish an album of the MainStreet Christmas Loop. Seems like it would sell..

CU@DL

Andy

[Neverlandtink]

Originally Posted by CUatDL

I found quite a few of the Music Box Christmas and the Lawrence Welk White Christmas on iTunes.

Also found Jingle Bell Rock by the Hollyridge Strings (in a slightly different arangement) on iTunes.

A lot of these are just going to be hard to come by, too bad Disney won't publish an album of the MainStreet Christmas Loop. Seems like it would sell..

CU@DL

Andy

I kind of like hunting for all those old songs. It's like a treasure hunt! It's a great compilation and I really do hope Disneyland (and MK) continues to use it in the years to come.

You know the EPCOT International Gateway loop is just as good, and from the same era. You can find many of the songs in stores and on Amazon. That's my other favorite.

[Sosai X]

Originally Posted by daddyb

I have a CORRECTED list from my searchings these past few weeks... what's online is currently not quite correct. I'm sending the updated file to Kirsten who runs disneymusicloops, but for now this is the correct list, and available here:
Also, I have it listed by ALBUM

If you have Excel and prefer the file that way, just change the link to the .xls extension and download it that way.

Check your PM's. Your search is over.

[1FoolishMortal]

Originally Posted by Pisces

Ask yourself when's the last time a Disney Park, has played all non-Disney songs in one of their loops?

I could name a few at the DLR....

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by CUatDL

A lot of these are just going to be hard to come by, too bad Disney won't publish an album of the MainStreet Christmas Loop. Seems like it would sell..

It doesn't matter if it'd sell. There are copyright issues, and they'd have to pay royalties to all the artists.

'The Christmas Tree' is a very unique song. Not only did David Rose compose it, but he wrote it as well.

So the estate of David Rose gets even more compensation for creating an original work.

That's why 'The Christmas Tree', in particular is so hard to find.

Sometimes you can get past copyright by releasing something under historical/educational value, and Carols and Hymns might fall under that.

But, I don't know if Disney would go to the trouble to claim educational/historical status, and I doubt that would fly in terms of the David Rose material.

[CUatDL]

Originally Posted by Pisces

It doesn't matter if it'd sell. There are copyright issues, and they'd have to pay royalties to all the artists.

'The Christmas Tree' is a very unique song. Not only did David Rose compose it, but he wrote it as well.

So the estate of David Rose gets even more compensation for creating an original work.

That's why 'The Christmas Tree', in particular is so hard to find.

Sometimes you can get past copyright by releasing something under historical/educational value, and Carols and Hymns might fall under that.

But, I don't know if Disney would go to the trouble to claim educational/historical status, and I doubt that would fly in terms of the David Rose material.

Just like paying taxes. I always make more than I pay in taxes.

When dealing with copyright, you should always be able to make more than you pay in royalties.

Nothing wrong with compensating folks for their copyrighted work. I belive that folks who own copyrights should be compensated, you just have to charge more to sell the item than you pay in royalties.

I don't buy it that the only reason folks do not use David Rose material is because they have to pay the owners of the copyright. Makes absolutely no sense to me. In a free market economy you charge what you have to charge to make a profit.

If the owners of the David Rose material want to charge more than it can be sold for they are the fools. Better to make something than nothing. If it is correct that the owners of the music just want to hold it for ridiculous amounts, one day they will all be gone and they will have made nothing from all their holdings.

CU@DL

Andy

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by CUatDL

Better to make something than nothing. If it is correct that the owners of the music just want to hold it for ridiculous amounts, one day they will all be gone and they will have made nothing from all their holdings.

Capitol Records could easily reissue a re-mastered David Rose Christmas Album right now.

But, very few people are familiar with David Rose, even though the tunes might bring back memories. Reprinting old material, that sells only seasonally just isn't a priority.

Disney could do it, but they already have a CD out with Radio Disney Christmas songs.....and I don't know how the sales were with that.

If current Holiday material doesn't yield exploding profits, it's hard to justify going to the trouble of reprinting old material.

I wish that weren't the case...but you have to realize....Disney is a business. The record labels are a business, and they have to do what makes sense economically.

[CUatDL]

Originally Posted by Pisces

Capitol Records could easily reissue a re-mastered David Rose Christmas Album right now.

But, very few people are familiar with David Rose, even though the tunes might bring back memories. Reprinting old material, that sells only seasonally just isn't a priority.

Disney could do it, but they already have a CD out with Radio Disney Christmas songs.....and I don't know how the sales were with that.

If current Holiday material doesn't yield exploding profits, it's hard to justify going to the trouble of reprinting old material.

I wish that weren't the case...but you have to realize....Disney is a business. The record labels are a business, and they have to do what makes sense economically.

This could make sense. The "have to pay royalties" excuse someone posed doesn't!

CU@DL

Andy

[daddyb]

Too bad. Those tracks are some of the most richly produced Christmas instrumentals I've ever heard. I am a HUGE fan of Richard Carpenter's orchestrations on "The Carpenter's Christmas Album" and I wouldn't be surpised if there wasn't more than a little influence from David Rose on Richard Carpenter.

Just a thought.

[Neverlandtink]

Originally Posted by daddyb

Too bad. Those tracks are some of the most richly produced Christmas instrumentals I've ever heard. I am a HUGE fan of Richard Carpenter's orchestrations on "The Carpenter's Christmas Album" and I wouldn't be surpised if there wasn't more than a little influence from David Rose on Richard Carpenter.

Just a thought.

I agree. (In fact, I have "Christmas Portrait" in my car right now) I don't see why David Rose wouldn't sell any more than Percy Faith or Ray Conniff. You can still find those in stores, and I doubt that anyone under 35 would have ever heard of those two. It's as if David Rose just evaporated.

Here's an interesting tidbit from IMDB - His estate in California included one of the largest private steam collections, including a small scale railroad track around his home.

Interesting! Wait ~ did I just derail the thread?

[Pisces]

You can't find Percy Faith in stores. There is a Percy Faith Christmas Album, that's going for $155.00, right now, on Amazon....and it's the last one.

http://www.amazon.com/Music-Christma.../dp/B000002AL3

I would say that one, Percy Faith's Music of Christmas Vol. 2---and the David Rose Christmas Album are probably the two most sought-after rare Christmas albums that are out-of-print.