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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    i hate to say it, but as long as disney has a product that is free to produce, and people will pay a premium price for , i see them keepin' it.
    please be afraid.

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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneyland Dave
    The whole fastpass system should be done away with. But that is a whole other thread.
    A completely different thread and highly debatable. It is only people on sites like these that overanalyze Disney that think so. The average guest sees the usefulness of Fastpass.
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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Let's think about it for a second. Does FP exist to benefit the guest or DL (or other theme parks that use front of the line systems, I don't think Disney was the first to think this up)? You could argue that what's good for the goose is also good for the gander but FP is primarily a marketing tool for DL. Poll John Q. Public and what's the #1 reason that people don't visit DL and theme parks in general. I'll bet you anything it would be: the lines.

    So with FP the parks have an answer to that objection, a system where you can avoid some of the annoying waits in lines. DL regulars know of course that the system is imperfect but it gets more John Qs through the gates thinking they won't have to do so much line waiting.

    As far as the AAA thing is concerned, Pragmatic you can use all the fancy college economics language you want to describe how unfair it is but the reality is that it's just a simple business deal. AAA is a major player in the California travel business, they proposed to DL that they can put thousands of people in their parks who also will stay in their hotels ($$$) they just need DL to throw them a little extra bone. Hence the enhanced FP. If I were DL managment I'd make that same deal in a New York minute. The harm it does to other guests is very, very slight compared to the financial benefit it gives Disney.

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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    If Disney starts charging for Fastpass, then you'll have a decent argument. But right now, it's not really valid.

    Other than clogging the walkways, I fail to see how everything isn't still equal and ok with the fastpass system. Don't like the standby wait time? GET A FASTPASS. You have just as much access to them as anyone else.

    If people don't want to read about Fastpass so that they can understand it better, than that's their problem. I hate how society is rewarding laziness and stupidity. It's just like at Blockbuster with the No Late Fees policy. Information on the policy is EVERYWHERE. On your reciept, on windows, on doors, on the TV's, and in pamphlets. But people don't read and get all butt hurt when something happens...

    So I agree with the clogging of the walkways. That couldn't more on point, but as far as equality goes, everyone has access to Fastpass. If you choose to not utilize it, than it is no one's fault but your own...

    And why are people with AP's complaining about longer standby lines anyway?

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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    I don't know what the heck this is all about I have to say. So out of town tourists can pay extra and take advantage of perks that locals cannot. Whoopdee do, welcome to the travel business!!

    Since when did it become the "Socialist Republic of Disneyland"? When have you ever seen Disney NOT offer more if you're willing to pay more?? (look at all these people lining up to see Fantasmic from the balcony... I bet we could sell tickets for another $50 for this!!) Hey, what about all those poor people out there who can't even afford a $56 ticket? That's not fair!!!

    As a local PAP holder, who gets to enjoy just being in the park much more than a normal, psychologically stable person ought to be allowed... it doesn't bother me in the least that a family from Ohio who's only here for four days (and who spent their hard earned money on a first class vacation) gets to go on as many rides as they want!! Go! Have fun! More power to you! And thanks for coming to California and spending your money! Sometimes I just like to sit on a bench and watch them have fun!

    Regarding AAA: cancelling your AAA Membership to protest such thing is laughable. Seriously, you have to think whoever opened your letter passed it around out of sheer incredulity. You do realize that the Auto Club is just that a: a member service organization which is NON-PROFIT. They are simply doing what they exist for: supplying services for their members. As many have stated, it is a little FOR profit organization called The Walt Disney Company that you should be directing your venom at.

    It just seems like a whole lot of stress, energy and time spent on something pretty frivolous.

    But hey, good luck with that.
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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by DOOM BGI
    Since when did it become the "Socialist Republic of Disneyland"? When have you ever seen Disney NOT offer more if you're willing to pay more?? (look at all these people lining up to see Fantasmic from the balcony... I bet we could sell tickets for another $50 for this!!) Hey, what about all those poor people out there who can't even afford a $53 ticket? That's not fair!!!
    Cutting in line and gaining park entry are two completely different things.

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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yensid TlaW
    Cutting in line and gaining park entry are two completely different things.
    How so? Like many other entertainment venues your experience can be enhanced by the amount of money you're willing to spend.

    At a football game you pay a certain amount if you just want to get in and watch from high up in the stadium, you pay more if you want to watch from up close, more from a luxury box, etc. I see no difference.

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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by GymMouse
    How so? Like many other entertainment venues your experience can be enhanced by the amount of money you're willing to spend.

    At a football game you pay a certain amount if you just want to get in and watch from high up in the stadium, you pay more if you want to watch from up close, more from a luxury box, etc. I see no difference.
    Exactly. You pay more, you get more. It's called capitalism. It seems to me that some people have a problem with this basic tenet and that is what this argument boils down to.
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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yensid TlaW
    Cutting in line and gaining park entry are two completely different things.
    It's not cutting. When you get your Fastpass, a "ghost" of you is reserved in line. Over at Universal, where you can walk to the front of the line whenever you want, that is line cutting. Disney's system is much fairer. As for equality, I am pretty sure royals from the Middle East have been coming to Disneyland since the 50s, and even Walt wined and dined them and backdoored them onto attractions. You treat your big spenders well. It's completely practical. Look at the system of comps in Vegas. They may give you a free Corvette for stopping by the Bellagio, but that's only if you are one of the folks who is willing to put $100,000 down on a hand of poker. I'd say Disneyland is still quite a bit more Marxist than most places in the USA. I seem to recall on July 17th it was "cupcakes for everyone!" Stalin would be proud of that.
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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by pyrateslife4me84
    It's not cutting. When you get your Fastpass, a "ghost" of you is reserved in line. Over at Universal, where you can walk to the front of the line whenever you want, that is line cutting. Disney's system is much fairer
    I am going to play devil's advocate here because, even though I think regular FP and Enhanced FP are OK, I think your statement above is misleading.

    If one has Enhanced FP, then they have multiple "ghosts" in line. That is really not fair. And even for regular FP, since DLR does not enforce the one hour window, you can also have multiple ghosts in line. That also is not fair. FP is supposed to distribute FP users throughout the day, but since they do not enforce the return time then people like me collect up FPs and use them mid-day and early evening when the lines are longest.

    While I prefer DLR's system to Universal's, at least at Universal's you cannot have ghosts. You have to actually walk into each line to use it. No line reservations. Just cut to the front. I went to USH last summer and, even thought people paid for the privilege, it still ticked me off. I understand logically it is capitalism at work, but emotionally it bothered me.

    OTOH, the DLR system is not a "pay extra" system per se. And the benefit you get is marginal. So it doesn't bother my logic or emotions.

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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by DOOM BGI
    Exactly. You pay more, you get more. It's called capitalism. It seems to me that some people have a problem with this basic tenet and that is what this argument boils down to.
    Yep, you might just be right
    I am indeed of the opinion that capitalism, or at least the caste system that is a direct result of it, should be left at the door.
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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by HydroGuy
    I am going to play devil's advocate here because, even though I think regular FP and Enhanced FP are OK, I think your statement above is misleading.

    If one has Enhanced FP, then they have multiple "ghosts" in line. That is really not fair. And even for regular FP, since DLR does not enforce the one hour window, you can also have multiple ghosts in line. That also is not fair. FP is supposed to distribute FP users throughout the day, but since they do not enforce the return time then people like me collect up FPs and use them mid-day and early evening when the lines are longest.

    While I prefer DLR's system to Universal's, at least at Universal's you cannot have ghosts. You have to actually walk into each line to use it. No line reservations. Just cut to the front. I went to USH last summer and, even thought people paid for the privilege, it still ticked me off. I understand logically it is capitalism at work, but emotionally it bothered me.

    OTOH, the DLR system is not a "pay extra" system per se. And the benefit you get is marginal. So it doesn't bother my logic or emotions.
    So Disneyland participates in cloning research...I think that's pretty neat myself. As for having multiple ghosts, I still don't see how that is unfair. Everyone can do it. Honestly, if they had a system set up where every ride had FP, and at the start of the day you programmed in your time to ride every attraction, so you never had to wait, that would be pretty nice...of course it would require a much bigger park than DL to hold all the guests not in line...like Epcot.
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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thriller
    I am indeed of the opinion that capitalism, or at least the caste system that is a direct result of it, should be left at the door.
    Funny how you have to pay $56 for the priviledge of walking through the "door" in the first place. Buy buying a ticket (or an AP), you have already entered into a "caste" system that puts many who can't even afford a trip to Disneyland at the bottom of.
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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by DOOM BGI
    Funny how you have to pay $53 for the priviledge of walking through the "door" in the first place. Buy buying a ticket (or an AP), you have already entered into a "caste" system that puts many who can't even afford a trip to Disneyland at the bottom of.
    I agree, and I wish this could be different, but I don't know of any way it could.

    But the thing is that when I am buying tickets for Disneyland, I am in no way negatively effecting the lifes of people who can't, right? The same cannot be said for special fastpass priviliges.
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    Re: Objections to Enhanced FastPass, and Resultant Boycott of A.A.A.

    "Ghosts are people too" is the arguement I guess...

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