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    Re: Taking the World of Tomorrow into the future

    Quote Originally Posted by fo'c's'le swab View Post
    While steampunk can be a terrific setting for novels and film (I am a fan), it tends to be dark, and often a bit bleak. Maybe too much of a contrast between the old Tomorrowland and a new 'steampunk' industrialized version (if one were to be undertaken)? If Walt's original intent for Tomorrowland were to be subverted, people might not take to it. But then again no one seems to really care about Pirates on TSI, Nemo in TL, or F! on the ROA, so maybe I'm all wet!
    Well, obviously it wouldn't fly, but I'd love to see it.

    As for Walt's original vision of Tomorrowland, I don't think we've seen it for over 30 years, so really at this point anything goes. A full-on return to the whiz-bang future wrapped in a corporate World's Fair would not only fall totally flat on a jaded modern (post-post-modern?) audience, but the capital improvements made to Tomorrowland over the last 30 years (and more importantly the most recent decade) pretty much guarantee that not only will we not see the cohesive "lived in city of the future" theme that MG longs for, but I can't imagine seeing anything more than another half-baked overlay of some sort. Star Tours might get a new film (hooray... and you can bet it will be breahlessly sold like T2 3D was - as the most expensive film per-minute ever made), Space Mountain obviously won't be torn down, and just got a make-over that was anything but awe-inspiring, Buzz is essentially brand new, a graduate level lecture on particle physics would be an improvement over HISTA, and surely that will remain a theater of some sort, the Peoplemover track is wrecked, and everyone knows Nemo and Autopia aren't going anywhere any time soon. I see very few viable options for a revitalization of Tomorrowland. A DCA-styled makeover is extremely unlikely.

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    Does the idea of TOMORROWland even exist anymore?

    I could not agree more with composerboy. I think before TOMORROWland can have a major re-model, the whole concept of the area needs to be thought out and formalized. For lack of a better word, what is the 'mission statement' of this land? I would like to think that the idea of TL is more than just a few cool ride experiences.

    I guess what it boils down to for me is above and beyond just looking at TL. I remember as a child hearing/reading/seeing so much about our idealized future with neat glimpses at technological advances, robots, gadgets and computers etc etc. It was so visual and I was only a child of the 70's/80's. This view of the future was even more prevalent in the decades that came before me. Hence, what we saw in TL and at the 64 World's Fair. But where are those images today? I know they exist, but they sure aren't as obvious anymore. In fact, often the images of tomorrow are not even that hopeful or optimistic. (sad reality) I think of global warming, the influx of more commercialism, and privacy invasion. Remember that scene in "Minority Report" when Tom Cruise walks by a Gap...the camera's read his eyes and remind him that the pants he bought earlier from the Gap were now on sale? I hear that cell phones will be performing a similar function sometime in the next year via text messages. Come to think of it, the only real images of the future that are most often presented are things to progress consumption of products and things that supposedly make doing tasks easier. It's not to say there wasn't an air of consumerism in the futuristic visuals of the past, but it seemed like there was an additional level to it that would have a more widespread positive aspect. Regardless, what futuristic visuals have you recently seen for say the year 2088 that are comparable to what we saw in the last century?

    I hate to be pessimistic, but when I look at Walt's vision of EPCOT, his hope for wide spread use of the monorails/wedway people movers as public transportation etc... and that it never really happened, it just makes me sad. Even when seeing the 90's (modern) part of Carousel of Progress, I get sad because it does not seem as grand as it could be (not a fault of the ride by any stretch). If you are kind of confused by that I am saying here or actually interested...please click below on this link:

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    This article was written during the 64 World's Fair. The author talks about some of his predictions that were presented in the Pavillions for the future in 2014 (actually a world's fair in 2014.) While he is spot on in many areas, some have never been realized for a variety of reasons. As I read the article, I started to think about if there is a venue like this anymore that shows us a predicted glimpse of the future? Of course what came to mind was TL (and EPCOT), but as we know that isn't quite the same thing. It started that way, but evolved into something else.

    So while I would love to see a Tomorrowland that is updated and forward thinking, I am not sure what is out there to influence it and drive its visuals. I would love to see a TL that addresses many of the world's current problems (environment-political etc), giving us an optimistic view of a future that is possible. I mean maybe the vision of the future is not just new things...but rather focusing on things that are much more than gadgets and such. Perhaps it is more organic and human! I guess much more that can be seen in an E ticket ride experience. Perhaps that is why TL at WDW works much better. Let's just have a fantasy of an alien spaceport and fore go the whole notion of trying to imagine a real future. Besides all that, I know I am asking way to much of a Disney theme park.

    So back to the question, can the idea of Tomorrowland even exist anymore? I would like to IMAGINE that is can...just curious what it is!


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    Re: Taking the World of Tomorrow into the future

    Quote Originally Posted by monotonehell View Post
    While we're on opinions, I've found Gehry's work seems more bizarre than futuristic. I see his Disney Concert Hall as a clone of his Guggenheim Museum in Spain (1997). Mies van der Rohe's work is something that's stood the test of time. Some of his buildings that he built over half a century ago still look contemporary today, but would be terribly uninspiring for Tomorrowland. I could say similar things regarding Le Corbusier's architecture. It's a very difficult design aesthetic to get right, so far we've had three Tomorrowlands all that suffered the same problem eventually. Today we'd probably see something with lots of glass and metal illuminated with a lot of blue LED lighting. Something which is already starting to be 'so last year'.
    I guess it's all a matter of opinion, I suppose - and that's probably where the problem lies, even within WDI. Some styles look futuristic to some, but don't to others.


    Quote Originally Posted by monotonehell View Post
    A while ago I proposed construction of a new Tomorrowland using structures with façades that are not integrated into their structure. That way new aesthetics could easily be installed by removing the old façades and replacing them with the new.

    The actual working structures would house the attractions but be designed with utility and change in mind. That way things could be updated at a lower cost every decade or so.
    I think this is an excellent idea - one that would be wise for WDI to explore - however, the main corridor of Tomorrowland is cramped as it is - would these floating facades really have enough space to make their presence worthwhile?


    Quote Originally Posted by monotonehell View Post
    I want to reiterate a point you made earlier that I forgot was extremely valid. Regarding the lack of a "lived-in community feel" in Tomorrowland. You're so right. Something like that would add a little soul that Tomorrowland lacks. It would be great to feel like we're actually visiting a lived in future.
    Yes, I think a "lived-in" Tomorrowland is definitely something that needs to be brought to life. It would be interesting to see how a "lived-in" Tomorrowland lives up against the test of time. Would it stagnate quicker? Or would it survive longer? I think if done right, a "lived-in" Tomorrowland could potentially last longer - making it seem like a working, thriving community of the future could work to make the land seem more realistic, giving it a longer shelf-life.

    BTW - Great post, monotonehell.

    Quote Originally Posted by tofubeast View Post
    I could not agree more with composerboy. I think before TOMORROWland can have a major re-model, the whole concept of the area needs to be thought out and formalized. For lack of a better word, what is the 'mission statement' of this land? I would like to think that the idea of TL is more than just a few cool ride experiences.
    Currently, Walt Disney's Tomorrowland dedication speech stands at the entrance to the land. I would imagine that Walt's words are the mission statement -

    A vista into a world of wondrous ideas, signifying man's achievements.... A step into the future with predictions of constructive things to come. Tomorrow offers new frontiers in science, adventure, and ideals, the atomic age, the challenge of outer space and the hope for a peaceful and unified world.

    It's interesting they put Walt's Tomorrowland dedication speech at the entry to the 1998 New Tomorrowland, as it seemed the entire point of the remodel was to get away from Walt's vision, and choose the Tomorrowland concept that didn't have to "step into the future."


    Quote Originally Posted by tofubeast View Post
    So while I would love to see a Tomorrowland that is updated and forward thinking, I am not sure what is out there to influence it and drive its visuals.
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    Re: Taking the World of Tomorrow into the future

    The more I read and write on MC, the more I compare it to 2 old men playing checkers on the front porch. Same game, usually the same players, generally the same moves and same conversation... Amazing how a thread will reincarnate itself every month or so. There is a lot written about this topic, I 've put my 2 cents in several times. I feel that what Tomorrowland lacks more then anything is the technology that the future demands. touchpanels, public LCD displays, concept cars, energy efficient technology, robotics... there is a huge list of technological innovations that Tomorrowland lacks. Walt had a great vision... he challenged his team to be creative. If anything I blame the loss of Tomorrowland on the loss of creativity. For anyone who wants to challenge this... try naming the last truly original attraction in Disneyland NOT BASED ON A MOVIE. As to the look of Tomorrowland I will say this. The beauty of Mr Potato Head is that you can make it look however you want... but in the end it is still a potato. It isn't the building that needs to be changed every so many years... it's what is on it.
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    Re: Taking the World of Tomorrow into the future

    Quote Originally Posted by techskip View Post
    The more I read and write on MC, the more I compare it to 2 old men playing checkers on the front porch. Same game, usually the same players, generally the same moves and same conversation...
    Shhhh! We do the same act every month or so for the new members. Just like in Disneyland where they do the same shows over and over. Oh wait a sec.. there's my cue to go make a positive comment in a 'bring back the People Mover' thread...
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    Re: Taking the World of Tomorrow into the future

    Quote Originally Posted by techskip View Post
    The beauty of Mr Potato Head is that you can make it look however you want... but in the end it is still a potato. It isn't the building that needs to be changed every so many years... it's what is on it.
    That is a great analogy Skip!

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    Re: Taking the World of Tomorrow into the future

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterGracey View Post
    Currently, Walt Disney's Tomorrowland dedication speech stands at the entrance to the land. I would imagine that Walt's words are the mission statement -

    A vista into a world of wondrous ideas, signifying man's achievements.... A step into the future with predictions of constructive things to come. Tomorrow offers new frontiers in science, adventure, and ideals, the atomic age, the challenge of outer space and the hope for a peaceful and unified world.
    It's interesting they put Walt's Tomorrowland dedication speech at the entry to the 1998 New Tomorrowland, as it seemed the entire point of the remodel was to get away from Walt's vision, and choose the Tomorrowland concept that didn't have to "step into the future."
    I don't think Walt could have forseen things like ignorant misinformed hippies screaming about "the environment", effectively killing "the atomic age", despite atomic power still being statistically megawatt for megawatt the cleanest and safest form of power generation.

    It's that kind of loss of innocence that has stripped our society - and thus tomorrowland - of the kind of wide-eyed optimism we once had. Victory in WW2 was still fresh in everyone's mind in 1955 and into the 60's. The whole country was still riding high on the spirited nationalism, and the collective feeling that anything is possible. And despite Cold War fears of being annihilated by Russian ICBMs at any moment, we still soldiered on and became the envy of the world in innovation and quality of life. Maybe Tomorowland could address ways to recapture THAT spirit, not just new ways to track your kids or your pets with your cell phone. Maybe it could be less about material goods and consumerism and things we can buy, and more of an inspirational experience of some sort in the future that no one could have forseen that we're living in today.

    I don't know exactly what that would be, but I'd rather have something like that than a Microsoft display on how one day our TVs and Computers will be one (gasp!), and we'll have even more entertainment on demand in every room in the house - for a price.

    Quote Originally Posted by techskip View Post
    ...I feel that what Tomorrowland lacks more then anything is the technology that the future demands. touchpanels, public LCD displays, concept cars, energy efficient technology, robotics... there is a huge list of technological innovations that Tomorrowland lacks. .
    That's exaclty what Innoventions was is and continues to be. And it's excruciatingly boring and ultimately pointless.


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    Re: Taking the World of Tomorrow into the future

    Quote Originally Posted by composerboy View Post
    I don't think Walt could have forseen things like ignorant misinformed hippies screaming about "the environment", effectively killing "the atomic age", despite atomic power still being statistically megawatt for megawatt the cleanest and safest form of power generation.
    Arrgh, atomic is just as bad as coal if you look at it from a ground to waste product holistic point of view.

    What killed the atomic age was the realisation that we couldn't apply atomic power in the grand engineering ways that we envisioned in the 1950s. Imagine if every car did have an atomic reactor or if we did use atomic furnaces to cut tunnels through mountains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by composerboy View Post
    It's that kind of loss of innocence that has stripped our society - and thus tomorrowland - of the kind of wide-eyed optimism we once had...
    Yep, we're all about neo-realism and pessimism these days. I don't think there's much hope of exactly Walt's vision for Tomorrowland, we're jaded on the fantastic, only the extremely fantastic would impress these days. But I'm unsure what that would be.

    Looks like you aren't either lol:
    Quote Originally Posted by composerboy View Post
    I don't know exactly what that would be, but I'd rather have something like that than a Microsoft display on how one day our TVs and Computers will be one (gasp!), and we'll have even more entertainment on demand in every room in the house - for a price.

    That's exaclty what Innoventions was is and continues to be. And it's excruciatingly boring and ultimately pointless.

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    Re: Taking the World of Tomorrow into the future

    Tomorrowland needs to be transformed into this:




    If even Disney made fun of Tomorrowland in Meet the Robinsons then it is an indicator they need to do a major overhaul of that area of the park.

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    Re: Taking the World of Tomorrow into the future

    It's hard to envision a current vision of tomorrow. We've become so bogged down by current problems and concerns with expansion and technological development that a lot of people have a lot of negative and cynical reactions to the optimistic 50's view of tomorrow that Tomorrowland offered.

    Instead of looking towards steampunk design, which in my opinion is a little too dirty and dystopian for Tomorrowland's basic concept, how about a clean 30's art deco look, reminiscent of the old Flash Gordon serials and Fleischer Superman Cartoons? A lot of these visions and designs are still futuristic and more importantly: aesthetically pleasing.

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    Re: Taking the World of Tomorrow into the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn Boy View Post
    Instead of looking towards steampunk design, which in my opinion is a little too dirty and dystopian for Tomorrowland's basic concept, how about a clean 30's art deco look, reminiscent of the old Flash Gordon serials and Fleischer Superman Cartoons? A lot of these visions and designs are still futuristic and more importantly: aesthetically pleasing.

    This, coming from a member who has the father of all steampunk design on his signature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by composerboy View Post
    This, coming from a member who has the father of all steampunk design on his signature?
    Harper Goff?

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    as inspired by Jules Verne, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by composerboy View Post
    I don't think Walt could have forseen things like ignorant misinformed hippies screaming about "the environment", effectively killing "the atomic age", despite atomic power still being statistically megawatt for megawatt the cleanest and safest form of power generation.
    To speficially address this... if a coal plant blows up, or a gas plant blows up, I can go back the next day. If a nuclear reactor blows up... the sheer amount of radiation would make the area uninhabitable and the health effects would be spread over several generations. THAT is what the "mis-informed hippies" were pointing at. The idea is great, the amount of generated energy vs waste is a huge plus. However they did not have the technology then that they have today and the safeguards then were questionable at best.

    Think of the Hindenburg. It probably would not have burned as quickly if they hadn't covered the canvas in the best sealant available at the time... which we now know is the main ingredient in modern rocket fuel! Hind sight is always 20/20 but foresight is simply working with what you have.

    Quote Originally Posted by composerboy View Post
    It's that kind of loss of innocence that has stripped our society - and thus tomorrowland - of the kind of wide-eyed optimism we once had. Victory in WW2 was still fresh in everyone's mind in 1955 and into the 60's. The whole country was still riding high on the spirited nationalism, and the collective feeling that anything is possible. And despite Cold War fears of being annihilated by Russian ICBMs at any moment, we still soldiered on and became the envy of the world in innovation and quality of life. Maybe Tomorowland could address ways to recapture THAT spirit, not just new ways to track your kids or your pets with your cell phone. Maybe it could be less about material goods and consumerism and things we can buy, and more of an inspirational experience of some sort in the future that no one could have forseen that we're living in today.
    Somewhere in here you should have mentioned specifically that the 1960's race to the Moon was a direct result of the Cold War, and that 1950's America was fascinated by Space and it's possibilities which is why the race was so popular in the eyes of the public. These days no one cares when we launch a shuttle. Back then anything going up was big news. Tomorrowland benefited from the naieve curiosity of those who knew very little about space. As society has modernized, learned, and become educated about our solar system... our views, perceptions, and expectations have also changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by composerboy View Post
    I don't know exactly what that would be, but I'd rather have something like that than a Microsoft display on how one day our TVs and Computers will be one (gasp!), and we'll have even more entertainment on demand in every room in the house - for a price. That's exaclty what Innoventions was is and continues to be. And it's excruciatingly boring and ultimately pointless.
    As Huell Howser has proven... anything can be interesting if it is presented correctly. I honestly never thought boiling mud was interesting, I actually still don't, but watching Huell jump around screaming about the mud boiling had me laughing for a good 10 minutes.

    The technology of Innoventions needs to be updated, I will give you that. BUT it is the mundane manner in which it is presented that makes it boring. They need better products. For example...
    • You missed the LA Auto Show... who cares, Disneyland Innoventions has the top 12 concept cars and they will be displaying them one per month for the next 12 months. The display will also feature LCD displays on the capabilities and technology of the car as well as touchpanels that will allow you to browse through all the features. Also we have displays on the current fuels, ethenol, hydrogen, and clean disel as well as a breakdown of the current hybrid technology and how it works.
    • Interested in Space? We have a whole wall dedicated to the first Space Race as well as another display on the current project attempting to win the X-Prize... including models of their projects, videos of test flights, highest altitude attained thus far. We also have samples of the Moon Rock on display as well as touch exhibits with various NASA components over the years. How cool would it be to touch a wing of a Space Shuttle. We also have concept art and models for upcoming space ventures. We also have a direct tie into current space missions providing real time video from JPL's latest probes. On top of that enjoy the shots of the black hole.
    • Want to be more environmentally friendly... We have a multitude of displays from solar panels, green roofs, ice cooled a/c, new homes built out of recycled materials and adobe homes built out of sandbags and dirt. In fact, part of Innoventions is run on solar power, you can actually view the monitors, and it is cooled with the same melting ice technology.
    • I know you are a techie... well we have a display on Japanese fighting robots which leads to another display on robotics and biomechanics because the game led to a breakthrough in making prosthetic limbs. Now instead of the antiquated wires and plastic, we have actual sensors and better movement. It isn't Luke Skywalker but we're getting there.
    • Ahh you must be a movie buff... well then... ever wonder how they made those cool Pixar characters? Or still puzzled on how they did the whirlpool for POC. We have an entire graphics computer lab, each station is a keyboard, mouse, and touchpanel that allows you to design your own 3-d models and experiment with some of the latest in graphics rendering.
    • Now I know you are a gadget person. Great, we have multiple sponsors each with their own displays with wonderful gadgets to look at. Everything from wireless touchpanels to ultra thin tv's, from biometric scanners to voice activated systems. How about a speaker that uses your actual wall to project the sound, or having movie projections that "appear" on a stand alone piece of glass.
    • Oh I know you are a computer person. Well welcome, enjoy the AI's and actually have a look at Blue... smart enough to stump a Chess Grand Master. Or meet Aismo, then look at some demos to see how he works. Probably wouldn't be interested in the development of dual processors, high end graphics cards, or quantum computers so we'll just skip those ok.
    I really could keep going if you would like. I am fortunate to have a very high tech job, yet I remain old fashioned. Steampunk in a sense. I am fascinated by what came before, but welcoming of what lies ahead. So please, spare me the "technology is boring" routine. It isn't the technology, it is the lack of technology and the mundane way in which it is currently presented.
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    Sorry to double post but the previous post deserved to be on it's own.
    Quote Originally Posted by monotonehell View Post
    Arrgh, atomic is just as bad as coal if you look at it from a ground to waste product holistic point of view.
    It is a tradeoff. At the same time we also need to consider making the end users more energy efficient so we are not producing vast amounts of energy only to have it wasted.

    Quote Originally Posted by monotonehell View Post
    What killed the atomic age was the realisation that we couldn't apply atomic power in the grand engineering ways that we envisioned in the 1950s. Imagine if every car did have an atomic reactor or if we did use atomic furnaces to cut tunnels through mountains.
    What we lacked with atoms we have more then made up for with the advances in Hydrogen and Lasers. Also a lot of the research for the various space programs lead to technologies that we all benefit from today.[/quote]
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