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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMunkee
    Soooooo, it's perfectly ok to Pimp out ladies even old ones against their will but not ok for pirates to chase around women for a kiss.
    If your view of the world is that simple and you're incapable of any sort of sophisticated thinking, then, yes. Definitely. Insensitivity to the world outside our own little heads seems to be the order of the day.

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    I will never get the "PC" mind. Especially when it pertains to a place of fantasy and fun like Disneyland. Just one of the things ruining our country at the moment, I guess...

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    Sorry, but I do think the PC movement has gone way too far and not just at DL. I do think it’s a stretch to equate the chase scene to impending sexual assault. There are lots of things at DL that offend someone’s sensibilities, should it all be removed? For example, there are some that are offended by the storyline in Splash Mountain. http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/sots.htm. Time to redo that? How about all of Disney's ladies finding their man to take care of them? That can't be good for a girl's self esteem, can it? If we are not careful at some point we are going to end up in a completely sanitized and completely boring world…

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    Quote Originally Posted by yensid1987
    Whell, TicTocDragon, you did strt something
    It was just a question, Thanks

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    Um, I read the Snopes article and can't find any reference to Splash Mountain. I'm going to assume you meant Song of the South, and, if so, you are unaware that the storyline in Splash has been altered. In Song of the South, B'rer Rabbit takes issue with a Tar Baby. The Tar Baby is a trap that B'rer Fox has concocted, knowing that B'rer Rabbit can't abide being ignored. When B'rer Rabbit finally takes a swing at the Black kid in the overalls he thinks is ignoring him, he becomes stuck in the tar, and thus easy pickings for B'rer Fox. On the attraction, the Tar Baby has been replaced with honey. Also very sticky, but hardly offensive.
    As for the Disney Leading Ladies, Pocahontas, Belle, Mulan, Princess Jasmine, Jesse, etc., are all self-sufficient female characters. Again, Disney changed its style of storytelling with the times. Go figure.

    P.S. After typing all of this, I Googled Brer Rabbit. Up came several sites with the Tar Baby story in it's entirety. What I found more interesting, and possibly helpful to the discussion, was this article, "Who Framed Brer Rabbit?"
    I personally find that it's not that terrible to be slightly inconvenienced or have my beliefs challenged for someone else's comfort. Standing on principle and a sense of entitlement is, at best, obstructive to progress, at worst it's just selfish.

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    All I would like to see for one year ?(THE 50TH) is the Pirates in it's original state. Obviously that is NOT going to happen.

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    Yeah, all the Pirates REALLY want is a KISS. Give me a break!
    No, he doesnt just want a "kiss" regardless of the audio. And you know that just as anybody else on this board. But its not like Disney is going to have a pirate chasing a woman yelling for her to take off her skirt so he can rape her.
    Just like all of the Disney fairytales, its all subtley toned down as to not offend people. When the ride opened, it apparently didn't offend anybody. But as a number of others have said, TIMES HAVE CHANGED. Many nowdays would find that offensive.

    As forthe Buy A Bride scene... I still stand with Gn2Dlnd in saying that its not as obvious that these "brides" are going to get plundered by the pirates as a Pirate chasing a woman for a "kiss"...especially when the two wenches in the front seem especially pleased that theyre getting bidded on.

    Also, I'll repeat that changing a large scene which involved both sides of the show is much more significant than changing some pirates chasing some girls. I think Disney would get more complaints for removing the entire Buy A Bride scene than they would get PC complains for keeping it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd
    If your view of the world is that simple and you're incapable of any sort of sophisticated thinking, then, yes. Definitely. Insensitivity to the world outside our own little heads seems to be the order of the day.
    I need to amend this. What I meant, and should have written, was, "If one's view of the world is that simple, and one is incapable - " actually, I don't think that makes it any better. Hmm. I'll just say, I didn't mean a personal slam to PirateMunkee, and perhaps you'll just take my post about Br'er Rabbit as representative of my opinion on the matter.

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    So... even though the calendar year has changed, that doesn't mean that the meaning of the chase scene changed before it became gluttony.

    Yes, there once was a woman popping out of the barrel. And in fact, at WDW, she was still there when I was last there. I seem to recall this one was a blonde, but she certainly wasn't a cat! So, does that mean that Florida park visitors are living in a different time than California visitors? Time certainly is finicky.

    And, for that matter, the humor at the end of the chase scene is derived from the fact that the woman is doing the chasing. Does this mean that the woman in original scene wants to commit rape too? Surely, if chase=rape, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    But with SotS, Fantasia, Make Mine Music, and even Saludos Amigos and Melody Time, it just seems like Disney has just given up the fight and said, "We had nothing but the purest of intentions when these things were done, but we know how people will judge us for it, and it's simply not worth the effort." PotC is another such victim. We know, by looking at the woman doing the chasing, that the scene clearly doesn't mean what some people will insist it means, but if people want to be offended, they will be no matter what. So let's change classic rides. And let's make movies that are as un-controversial as possible, and lose at the box office to movies like Shark Tale.

    And even then we'd better watch out, because some group will watch Princess Diaries and complain that the movie perpetuates stereotypes about people with curly hair...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterGracey
    Yeah, all the Pirates REALLY want is a KISS. Give me a break!
    No, he doesnt just want a "kiss" regardless of the audio. And you know that just as anybody else on this board. But its not like Disney is going to have a pirate chasing a woman yelling for her to take off her skirt so he can rape her.
    Just like all of the Disney fairytales, its all subtley toned down as to not offend people. When the ride opened, it apparently didn't offend anybody. But as a number of others have said, TIMES HAVE CHANGED. Many nowdays would find that offensive.

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    Wait a minute now...I'm actually related to a real pirate and study nautical history and collect pirate memoribilia. I know in truth that real pirates would be partaking in some RPPing (Raping Pillaging and Plundering) and maybe that is what was implied in that scene but if you look at pictures of the old scene, the pirates are chasing the women with puckered up lips not faces of unadulterated lust.
    Personally, I would love to see that whole scene changed. Turn it into a tavern with the wall blasted away so we can see into it. Have the Pirates getting drunk. Have a poor townsperson up against a wall shaking in fright with an apple on his head while a drunk Pirate tries to take aim with throwing a dagger at the apple, Pirates swing from the lights. A poker table with all the pirates cheating and holding aces. A scared barkeep poking his head up from behind the bar trying to keep safe from all the ruckus.
    But of course, this will offend all the recovering alcoholics.
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    You certainly make a lot of points, ModHatter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMunkee
    But of course, this will offend all the recovering alcoholics.
    Actually, no.

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    I think that the ride should be changed back to its old ways. It is becoming too PC. The ride is there to show what pirates did, shooting down forts, shooting at a lady at the window while they drown her husband, sell women, burn and pillage, get drunk...i dunno that is part of the whole ride its fun...the part where the women are being chased does end with a woman chasing a pirate. I believe its the humor in the ride and those that take it too serious are ruining the fun for others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd
    Actually, no.
    Uh....sarcasm isn't your forte' I take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMunkee
    Uh....sarcasm isn't your forte' I take it.
    I dunno. Did you mean to use a or a ? I took it as a .

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