Save the Rainforest - Keep "it's a small world" a classic.

[PleaseRemainSeated]

Originally Posted by bfdf55

Yes there is. While you may not change the mind of the person you are having an active “discussion” with, there are probably thousands of lurkers that are absorbing all the aspects of the issues being discussed. And, many of those people will be developing their own opinions based on the content of these posts.

So, just as with some of the judging systems, you throw out the extreme rants at both ends of the argument and total up the remaining points.

Well said. And for a discussion to be good, both sides need to be pretty firm in their views, or someone loses interest and the conversation dies. That's no fun!

Originally Posted by animagusurreal

[joke]
How about this: to balance out adding characters to Small World, we take the characters out of some of the other attractions in Fantasyland. Are you ready for “Mine Car Through Creepy Castle”, “Pirate Ships Over London” and “Out-of-Control Motorcar Ride”? [/joke]

But perhaps we should mention, that it's an "Out-of-Control Motorcar Ride Through Hell"

That will bring them in by the hundreds.

[mrfantasmic]

Originally Posted by Matterhorn Boy

So my observations are deemed completely invalid until the almighty Disney comes in with attendance figures and proves me correct? How convenient.

I've never been in a line longer than a minute or two for Pooh. I've never seen a line of considerable length, even in the midst of summer crowds in the Aneheim heat. I can't say the same for even Snow White or Pinocchio, arguably the least popular of the FL attractions.

I'm just saying double check your fact before making that assumption. You may be surprised by what you find.

[Mac Daddy]

Originally Posted by mrfantasmic

Once again, if you're going to say that Pooh and HISTA are failures due to their ridership, you're going to have to cite some numbers. Prove to me that Pooh does worse than the Fantasyland attractions in terms of ridership, then you can make that claim.

The first time you pass this ride and see empty ride vehicles coming out, you think that it is strange. The second and third time, you begin to think this is the norm. On the fiftieth time, you've pretty much established the fact that hardly ANYONE rides this attraction. The demographic is almost strictly parents of pre-schoolers. You can take our word for it, or do your own survey. I hightly doubt you'd ever get a straight answer from Disney.

Peter Pan, on the other hand, routinely has a 30 - 40 minute wait up until 11pm.

Do the math.

[mrfantasmic]

Whatever you say.

[Coheteboy]

Originally Posted by mrfantasmic

Whatever you say.

I have an idea. Why don't you dig up the info and prove those guys wrong instead of disagreeing with everyone without logic, facts, or even plain old fashioned observations?

If you say we might be surprised, enlighten us with what we may be surprised about.

[mrfantasmic]

Because I like my job.

[Coheteboy]

Originally Posted by mrfantasmic

Because I like my job.

That's great and all but I still don't get how that makes pooh more popular than peter pan.

[MasterGracey]

Originally Posted by Coheteboy

That's great and all but I still don't get how that makes pooh more popular than peter pan.

Because Pooh has those amazing, incredible, humongous bee hive ride vehicles which mean that the attraction never, ever had a line because they're so amazingly efficient! Nevermind the fact that Pooh opened with Fastpass because... er... well, Disney didn't realize their magically huge ride vehicles could... er.. carry so many people?

Yeah, that's it.

[animagusurreal]

^

LOL!

Originally Posted by mrfantasmic

I'm just saying double check your fact before making that assumption. You may be surprised by what you find.

Can you at least tell us where we can double check these facts? Since you suggested we do it, I'm assuming you know some way that we actually can .

[DisneyPixar]

Defending Pooh is like saying "Michael Eisner had his good points." Disney fans are usually too rabid to here you out, if you confess you didn't detest Pooh you're a "defender of mediocrity" or a moron. Yet I LOVE the whole "IT'S A CLASSIC!" yelling you get if you should say that Mr. Toad's overrated ...

[Dark in the Tuna]

If we look at this situation, the exact same thing happend to another famous attraction at the park not to long ago, Pirates of the Caribbean. As anybody that I have ever come in contact with (that visits the park regularly) does not like what they did to the attraction, and neither do I. But we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Disney will do what it will, Pirates will now always have Jack Sparrow, Captain Barbosa, and Davy Jones. I honestly hate the additions but because it has been so popular with the masses it will not change. It will be the same with It's a Small World. However much we rant and rave to them, it is already done. I'm sorry, but thats just how it is.

[aashee]

Originally Posted by Dark in the Tuna

If we look at this situation, the exact same thing happend to another famous attraction at the park not to long ago, Pirates of the Caribbean. As anybody that I have ever come in contact with (that visits the park regularly) does not like what they did to the attraction, and neither do I. But we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Disney will do what it will, Pirates will now always have Jack Sparrow, Captain Barbosa, and Davy Jones. I honestly hate the additions but because it has been so popular with the masses it will not change. It will be the same with It's a Small World. However much we rant and rave to them, it is already done. I'm sorry, but thats just how it is.

Welcome to MiceChat! Love your sceen name.

[animagusurreal]

Originally Posted by Dark in the Tuna

If we look at this situation, the exact same thing happend to another famous attraction at the park not to long ago, Pirates of the Caribbean. As anybody that I have ever come in contact with (that visits the park regularly) does not like what they did to the attraction, and neither do I. But we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Disney will do what it will, Pirates will now always have Jack Sparrow, Captain Barbosa, and Davy Jones. I honestly hate the additions but because it has been so popular with the masses it will not change. It will be the same with It's a Small World. However much we rant and rave to them, it is already done. I'm sorry, but thats just how it is.

The difference here is that Jack Sparrow is an extremely popular iconic character in a movie called "Pirates of the Carribean". When guests - particularly guests unfamiliar with the history of the attraction - see the title "Pirates of the Carribean", it's only natural that they'd assume they would see Jack Sparrow on the ride. I can picture Disney actually receiving numerous guest comments asking where Sparrow was. (EDIT: Not saying this write-in campaign happened, but I can picture it happening.)

(Whether or not they added him in an effective manner is another matter.)

On the other hand, I do not believe that any great number of people (if anyone at all) rode Small World and asked "where are the Disney movie characters?", and I particularly cannot imagine them writing in to ask where they were or demanding they be included. (Doesn't mean it didn't happen, of course, but I sure can't picture it )

[mousechild]

Originally Posted by animagusurreal

The difference here is that Jack Sparrow is an extremely popular iconic character in a movie called "Pirates of the Carribean". When guests - particularly guests unfamiliar with the history of the attraction - see the title "Pirates of the Carribean", it's only natural that they'd assume they would see Jack Sparrow on the ride. I can picture Disney actually receiving numerous guest comments asking where Sparrow was.

(Whether or not they added him in an effective manner is another matter.)

On the other hand, I do not believe that any great number of people (if anyone at all) rode Small World and asked "where are the Disney movie characters?", and I particularly cannot imagine them writing in to ask where they were or demanding they be included. (Doesn't mean it didn't happen, of course, but I sure can't picture it )

I don't remember a write-in campaign for Jack Sparrow either. As I recall management thought the inclusion of characters from the movie would help sell more stuff so they made the changes. The same management decision making seems to be at work on IASW as well.

The IASW campaign is at least one ride too late. The uproar should have started before Pirates open. In reality it should have started when they began mucking with Frontierland long ago, perhaps when Fantasmic! rolled into town.

[Coheteboy]

Originally Posted by DisneyPixar

Defending Pooh is like saying "Michael Eisner had his good points." Disney fans are usually too rabid to here you out, if you confess you didn't detest Pooh you're a "defender of mediocrity" or a moron. Yet I LOVE the whole "IT'S A CLASSIC!" yelling you get if you should say that Mr. Toad's overrated ...

Well to be absolutely fair, Eisner did have a good start, but along with Katzenberg and Frank G. Wells. Without him, we wouldn't have had a lot of the great attractions we have now like Star Tours, Indiana Jones, Splash Mountain, and Roger Rabbit. His experience at Paramount during the Indiana Jones movies tied him up with Spielberg and Lucas.

But yes, we can also thank Eisner for a lot of CRAP. Probably too many problems to ever repair because of his canoodling.