Save the Rainforest - Keep "it's a small world" a classic.

[mousechild]

Trader Sam is stand alone, now there is a distracting element with little or no explanation right in the middle of a good scene. It is sort of like having elements of a scene that do not advance the story, rather they detract from the telling of the story. Simply put Ellie distracts the eye from the Trader Sam story element.

If you want me to go totally Disney on this, IMHO Ellie would be one of those details Hench warned about that are added simply for sake of adding detail without adding to the story. He said that such details become distractions. I cannot find my copy of Designing Disney so I am unable to find a page number for reference, but if I find the book I will add a complete quote later.

Pg 78, Designing Disney

A detail should be used only if it is essential to the story in some way. There is a big difference between being overwhelmed with detail that really amounts to clutter, and the feeling of perfection that is real storytelling.

[DisneyIPresume]

If it was Dumbo instead of Ellie the final scene in the JC would be even more ridiculous than it supposedly is now.

Of course, isn't this exactly what they want to do with IASW?

[MasterGracey]

Originally Posted by mousechild

Trader Sam is stand alone, now there is a distracting element with little or no explanation right in the middle of a good scene. It is sort of like having elements of a scene that do not advance the story, rather they detract from the telling of the story. Simply put Ellie distracts the eye from the Trader Sam story element.

If you want me to go totally Disney on this, IMHO Ellie would be one of those details Hench warned about that are added simply for sake of adding detail without adding to the story. He said that such details become distractions. I cannot find my copy of Designing Disney so I am unable to find a page number for reference, but if I find the book I will add a complete quote later.

Pg 78, Designing Disney

A detail should be used only if it is essential to the story in some way. There is a big difference between being overwhelmed with detail that really amounts to clutter, and the feeling of perfection that is real storytelling.

Good point. I suppose it's true that Ellie sort of steals attention away from Trader Sam. However, I never felt while on the attraction it was much of an issue. I didn't feel bombarded with stuff - it felt natural and in-theme. Interesting take on the situation, though.

[techskip]

Originally Posted by DisneyIPresume

If it was Dumbo instead of Ellie the final scene in the JC would be even more ridiculous than it supposedly is now.

Of course, isn't this exactly what they want to do with IASW?

Actually they want to toss in a variety of characters from various films in a variety of scenes... not just a random out of place thing at the end!

Had you said the cast of Lion King, Abu & Iago, the cast of Tarzan, and the cast of Jungle Book... with Dumbo at the end... then I would have agreed with your comparison. Mainly because even then Dumbo (in relation to the current Ellie) would stick out like a sore thumb!

[Mr. Eggz]

It's Tiki Room Under New Management all over again. I gave them a chance back then...but not this time! Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Save the Rainforest! I'm on board.

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by KISSman

That sounds great, but what are you going to DO about it if they don't listen?

The ONLY way you can make Disney listen to you is to draw and line in the sand and say, "All of us who are on this petition list won't come to Disneyland if you change our ride". That's how REAL protests work. Not this hot air effort that is being forumated here.

Ask yourselves these questions:

A.) What incentive are you providing Disney to not make these ghastly changes?

B.) Disneyland better not make changes to IASW or you will... what??

I already know the answers: A.) None B.) You'll do nothing (but keep paying to go into DL to go on the revised IASW).

All you are going to be is a short-term annoyance to Disney (at best) and when the ride is re-opened, you will be pacified.

I'm all for seeing a real protest out of you guys. I'd totally respect that. But this is not a real protest. This is time-wasting nonsense.

I have already publically admitted on this board that my family, friends, and myself would not renew our annual passes if this were to happen to Small World. Quite frankly I've had it up to here with all the disappointments and corruption going on at Disney management. All they care about is how much we can sell at the gift shop and they don't give a damn about Walt's legacy or how he ever ran the park. At this rate Disneyland won't last much longer as a legend in the theme park industry and will become something that Walt tried to avoid, being an ordinary amusement park.

[pineapplewhipaddict]

Hmm...American hicktown replacing the rainforest? That really does sound like the prevalent attitude in America right now!

Honestly, I've always felt that the rainforest section was a bit odd, though. The image that you are using for the "Save the Rainforest" icon, MG, is of the pimp feline. He literally looks like a pimp daddy, with his paw movement. From a more adult perspective, it puzzles me.

However, going with original theme and intent, if it truly is world harmony and respecting other cultures that are not our own, than I would say that a rainforest section should take precedence over an American section. To this day, our country still has a considerable ignorant and limited understanding of what is not the US, or what is not convenient for us. More than ever in our current situation, the environment and it's natural inhabitants needs respect.

Personally, I always thought an American section was not created because America is made up of everyone else and then put together in a big melting pot. The fact that all of the other countries represented and then finding the Native American and the cowboy made a nod to that idea (then again, the Native Americans were here first, so perhaps they deserve a little more recognition than they currently have...).


It's a tough question. It would be so much easier if Disney had the room to expand to add in more show scenes and simply plus what is already there...

I said this in the other thread, but if the Disney characters come through, I really hope they are styled the Mary Blair way...after all, she did concept art for films like Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan.

For Hong Kong, it's understandable to an extent...Disney wants people overseas who really don't know these characters to be better exposed to them. But here? It's shameless marketing.

[BassBone]

Originally Posted by KISSman

To my knowledge, Disney has never altered their plans because of a group of fans who object to park changes. The best lead effort was to save Mr. Toad in WDW and he's long gone.

There were similar plans to remove Mr. Toad from Disneyland, but because of the fervor of the FL Save Toad campaign, it remains to this day.

[Coheteboy]

Originally Posted by pineapplewhipaddict

Personally, I always thought an American section was not created because America is made up of everyone else and then put together in a big melting pot. The fact that all of the other countries represented and then finding the Native American and the cowboy made a nod to that idea (then again, the Native Americans were here first, so perhaps they deserve a little more recognition than they currently have...).

Very GOOD point. Give the Native Americans some recognition. not the USA. (and I don't mean to put casinos in place of the rainforest either)

[MrLiver]

If you want attention, send in your letters and include your APs in the letters you mail back. Tell them you won't be giving them anymore money until they change their mind.

If anything it will make you look like less of a hypocrite for continuing to financially support a administration you no longer support.

[WDI33]

Save the Rainforest shirt under construction... Can anyone do better?

[MasterGracey]

Originally Posted by WDI33

Save the Rainforest shirt under construction... Can anyone do better?

I did this one and uploaded it to Zazzle.com for purchase, but it was removed, which I ultimately expected, due to copyright rules.

[WDI33]

Yours looks awesome MasterGracy! Too bad they took it down... Mine has no Disney copyrighted words or fonts so it should slide... It just isnt as slick looking as yours! It needs work!

[misterp102778]

I am so mad. I love eating at the rainforst, those pita queso... oh wait I thought you were talking about the rainforst cafe. ;0p

[dl1955pounds]

Originally Posted by BassBone

There were similar plans to remove Mr. Toad from Disneyland, but because of the fervor of the FL Save Toad campaign, it remains to this day.

What is this based on? Do you have inside sources? By this I mean, how do you know that Disney planned to remove Toad from DL, and also, how do you know that Disney fans stopped this from happening? The attraction underwent an extensive redesign in the 1980's, it wouldn't make much sense to remove it. DL's Toad covers a very small footprint, and unlike WDW's two-tracked design, there is not sufficient room to replace the ride with any significant attraction.

I have already publically admitted on this board that my family, friends, and myself would not renew our annual passes if this were to happen to Small World. Quite frankly I've had it up to here with all the disappointments and corruption going on at Disney management.

I'm completely confused... why is the Disney management currently very corrupt, compared to the previous management? To not renew your pass now based on "corruption" doesn't seem to make any sense. The Disney park management had a very bad reputation in the late 90's and early 2000's. Currently, things are on a big upswing (DCA renovation, Disneyland completely cleaned up in 2005, etc.). You imply that things have been bad lately, and it leaves me wondering, why would you cancel your pass now and not several years ago, when there actually were severe problems?

It's Tiki Room Under New Management all over again.

...what? In Florida, the Tiki Room had its soundtrack completely changed, a blatantly obnoxious animatronic was put in, and the show was completely altered (And yes, in my opinion, the change was pretty bad). The things that Al Lutz is bringing up are nowhere near this extent, and while nobody has even seen concept art for this project, Al Lutz made it clear that he thinks they are replacing one jumbled scene with a tribute to America (Surely in the theme of the rest of the ride), and any Disney characters would be added off to the side. There would be no major changes to the soundtrack, and no obnoxious bird from Aladdin would take over the ride and add rap music.

In all of this, I just cannot understand why this refurbishment seems like such a huge deal. That ride has been stagnating ever since Mattel dropped sponsorship, and it should be interesting to mix things up a bit. The white facade and digitalized soundtrack were great additions, but they definitely left me wanting to see some more changes. To address previous comments, the Pirates TSI redo was pretty good, and the caves in the island are much more interesting now. As for the POTC ride itself, the enhancements were also very, very good, and made the ride much more relevant and exciting. The redo was a success, and while I definitely enjoyed it, guest feedback was also very positive. The efforts of the current management (Ouimet and beyond) have paid off, and the panic going on here is almost as though Paul Pressler or Cynthia Harris are still in power.

The work that Disney has done in the past few years has been really good, and I look forward to seeing their take on Small World.