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    Re: Uncle Bob's Re-imagined California Adventure

    I agree Piano, that's probably my favorite rendering I've seen, not only of the new PP, but probably the whole DCA project. That's exactly what it should look like, I really hope the actual plans match the picture.
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    I agree Piano, that's probably my favorite rendering I've seen, not only of the new PP, but probably the whole DCA project. That's exactly what it should look like, I really hope the actual plans match the picture.
    yeah..I'm obsessed with that image, one thing i'd like to add would be to add victorian details to Screamin' especialy were you walk under it to get to the midway..but it appears as if they are going to cover that up area with a building facade.

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    Re: Uncle Bob's Re-imagined California Adventure

    here's another one of my faves



    I think that WDI is headed in the right direction with how they're re-doing Paradise Pier

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    I also like a few of Walt Disney Plaza and the models of WDP and Radiator Springs Racers, which are both pretty descrective and have many aspects that I really like. If they really are doing this even better then some of the images that have already been released, like many insiders are claiming, DCA is going to be amazing. I think it could actually rival Epcot, DisneySea, and IoA for the best second gate in the world eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bob View Post
    I also like a few of Walt Disney Plaza and the models of WDP and Radiator Springs Racers, which are both pretty descrective and have many aspects that I really like. If they really are doing this even better then some of the images that have already been released, like many insiders are claiming, DCA is going to be amazing. I think it could actually rival Epcot, DisneySea, and IoA for the best second gate in the world eventually.
    I'm very very excited

    I think the only areas that I feel extra strong about are Hollywood, Paradise Pier, and changing Carsland to a desert themed land as opposed to just being about the movie.

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    Re: Uncle Bob's Re-imagined California Adventure

    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman13 View Post
    I'm very very excited

    I think the only areas that I feel extra strong about are Hollywood, Paradise Pier, and changing Carsland to a desert themed land as opposed to just being about the movie.
    Me too! DCA is slowly turning into what I imagined it was going to be back in '01. I'm looking forward to TLM the most, a movie that is long overdue for an attraction.

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    Re: Uncle Bob's Re-imagined California Adventure

    I've actually made a lot of updates to my original thread, especially in details of the lands. Here's the revised lands section. I've incorporated some of the ideas that other people suggested and changed the names of a couple of the lands, but it's basically the same layout, just with more ideas and details added. I also wrote narratives for each land, that I think help give a feel for the flavor of each area.



    The Lands:

    In this final section, I will go into the details of how I believe each land should be developed thematically, its basic layout, some of the attractions that it should house, and where I see weaknesses in the current design. I will also attempt to speak about creating balance in the offerings, with an appropriate demographic balance, and in terms of the number, size and type of attractions that I feel should be in each land as well as the food and retail offerings that each should house. In each section, I will provide a narrative to attempt to create a vision in the mind of the reader, for the feel I would try to create for each area. After, I will provide analysis and descriptive details related to each land.

    Walt Disney Plaza



    Narrative:
    Stroll the buzzing streets of vintage Los Angeles, just as Walt Disney did when he arrived in California. Hop aboard a Red Car and ride to Hollywood and beyond. Experience the action of a city at the brink of becoming a major metropolis and the heart of the movie business. See the sights and hear the sounds of a gala movie premiere at the famous Carthay Circle Theater. Or perhaps, just take it easy, and shop and dine in the myriad of unique shops and restaurants that Walt Disney Plaza offers.



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    I am very happy for the most part with the proposed entry and plaza. I appreciate how the entry is a tribute to Walt and his arrival in California, much like Mainstreet USA is to his youth. This is a major change in the right direction for the park. My only real concern for this area is the reported removal of the Walt Disney Story. I understand that this was due to TDA’s concerns about DCA having too many shows, which I see as a valid concern, but I don’t want the building to remain empty long. I really think it would be a big mistake to leave that building empty, especially during any renaming or re-grand opening type of marketing and events.

    I have read many suggestions for what to do with that space and think a few sound somewhat appealing, but none are quite right. I have a vague idea that I’ve been toying with for a lavish dark ride, in which the queue would be in the extravagant Carthay Theater lobby, with large stair cases leading up to the balcony level, where you would enter your ride vehicle. The ride itself, I think should be themed to several classic Disney shorts. I don’t really have an idea exactly which shorts and exactly how all the stories would be tied together, but I think with a little thought, it could be a great ride.

    In some ways though, I think the inside of the theater should really be a theater. It should be a lavish art deco feature of DCA, and it should house a show. I’m not sure that a Walt Disney Story attraction would be the best choice for that location though. I do think that type of attraction would have low repeatability and only appeal to hardcore fans. I’m not sure what show would be best. My proposals would involve removing two other shows in that area of the park, so that would make a show being placed in that location far more feasible in terms of overall planning and make more sense for the park in terms of overall balance and theme. I will discuss this further, as I describe my proposals for the other lands in the following sections.

    Overall, I don’t have any major changes that I would propose for this area. I think that making the entry feel more like Main Street is a smart decision, and I think it will create the kind of nostalgia for the entry that the park needs. I think it’s appropriate for this area to be focused on shopping and dining, and hopefully, the one show. This one piece will do a vast amount to change the feel of the whole park if done right and I’m pretty confident WDI is going to do it right based on what I’ve seen so far.

    Hollywoodland:

    Narrative:
    Be one of the beautiful people, live the glamour of the red carpet, and experience the golden era of the silver screen in Hollywoodland. Incredible entertainment can be found in every corner. Those who dare can take a trip to The Twilight Zone, at the Hollywood Tower Hotel. For a slower pace that will touch your heart, visit Disney’s Animation Studio or the incredible variety of shows featuring classic Disney entertainment. The whole family will take delight in rescuing Boo with Mike and Sully or taking a wild ride with through Hollywood with the Muppets. Hollywoodland is the home of entertainment, experience it all, from the touching and personal, to the opulence and extravagance.

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    Again, I am pretty happy with the direction that WDI is taking with this land. Hollywood PBL becomes, “Hollywoodland” no longer a back lot, which was a weak idea for a place with no movies actually being made. It becomes about the image and mystique of Hollywood, set in the ‘30’s era of glitz and glamour. My only major suggestion is totally removing any aspects of backstage theme and fully embracing the vintage theme.

    I do have a few things that I would like to see done to the area. I would remove some of the shows to provide additional ride and retail areas. I would definitely like to see at least one additional family friendly ride and eventually another thrill ride might be nice, but may not be needed depending on what is done with the rest of the park. One important thing I would really hope to see is the transforming the Hyperion into a grand theater.

    In the area across from Monsters, I would add stores into the stage area to make the back lot buildings into full buildings and remove the stage. The Muppet building and Millionaire buildings and possibly an attaching building, would house a Muppet ride. The exterior would be re-themed to be more time period appropriate and the ride would also have a ‘30’s Hollywood feel. I think the Muppet franchise could be easily set within the period theme as the characters have a very timeless Hollywood type of feel. I also think it is an under utilized property that should be exposed to a new generation who would find the characters very appealing, especially if they were presented in a fun new way. I also would suggest some minor improvements to Monsters Inc. I would re-theme the exterior of the building and the queue to fit the 30’s feel and then add a first scene where you pass through a door into Monstropolis.

    Grizzly Valley:

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    Rip-roaring adventure awaits you in breathtaking Grizzly Valley, legendary home of the Grizzly River gold strike. Experience the raucous mining town of Redwood Ridge, home of daring adventurers from around the world, the call of, “There’s gold in them there hills!” ringing in their ears. Incredible adventures await you around every turn. Soar, over the great state of California in Doc Wilson’s amazing flying machines. View breathtaking nature, and have a wet and wild good time as you plunge down Grizzly River Run. Don’t forget to step aboard the Redwood Ridge Mine Trains, for a tour of the stunning valley, and a trip through the famous Redwood Ridge Mine, where you’ll visit the wildest bunch of miners this side of the Mississippi. All that and more await you in Grizzly Valley, the heart of the High Sierra.

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    Basically, my suggestions for Grizzly Recreation area is that it be combined with Condor Flats, as I have heard WDI has suggested that they will do, and the entire area should be renamed Grizzly Valley. This area will celebrate the themes of nature, the pioneering of California and particularly the Gold Rush. The extreme sports overlay should be removed from Grizzly River Rapids and it should be aged and AA animals should be added at effective locations in the ride. I really think it would be great to add some Grizzly Bears playing in the springs near the end of the ride. Additionally, mining equipment should be added around the queue and through the ride.

    I also like the idea of some sort of train attraction that has supposedly been discussed at WDI. Though, I understand that there are both space and logistics issues making this difficult. I would hope these could be overcome, because this would be a good ride to add to the area, and it would be great if some of the Grizzly Mountain could host more than just the one attraction. It would be nice if an additional mountain were created where the Brother Bear area is now. That way the ride could pass over the walkway on bridges that go by Grizzly Peak and also go through caves and things in the former brother bear area. That would make it a nice long ride and would have the opportunity to feature scenes of nature, logging, and mining. In the caves, I would also add an indoor dark ride portion that would feature scenes of raucous miners doing amusing things in the vain of “Pirates of the Caribbean.”

    Overall, Soarin’ and Grizzly Rapids offer two good attractions with broad appeal and the Grand Californian Hotel acts as a decent “berm”, so this land has a good start. In terms of attractions, it would be nice to add a thrill ride in the area and another family attraction, but since there’s not room for both, I would lean toward a family ride. By this, I mean an attraction like the train, which would appeal to a broad demographic of riders.

    Other additions that should be made to the area are more trees and underbrush and some rock outcroppings throughout the area, especially near the Grand Californian, as well as a large outcropping with a big waterfall, which could be integrated into the Redwood Ridge Mine Ride. This will all help to create the valley feel. I would also like to see more of a mine town overlay given to the entire area. It would be nice to transform some of the existing structures in the current Condor Flats area to this mine town feel and add some small buildings also near the GRR entrance to create the town of Redwood Ridge.

    Redwood Ridge would have a boomtown feel. There would also be a section of tents that would look like miner camps, some would be set pieces and some would host outdoor vending. There would be a performance area also added to have live period music playing in the area. The idea is to make the area feel like a real mine town in the 1850’s. I would also add a theme to the Grand Californian. It would be a grand hotel built by a prospector who struck it rich, and decided to build it to bring tourists to his beloved Grizzly Valley. Lastly, Soarin’ Over California would eventually get a period specific overhaul to become Soarin’ Over California: Doc Wilson’s Amazing Flying Machine. This would be a re-theming of Soarin’ to incorporate a “Mad Scientist” and “Snake Oil Salesman” type overlay where you would fly in Doc Wilson’s somewhat questionable flying machines. Unlike the current Soarin’ this version would be a continuous film that would feature a flight over California nature and end by soaring over a recreated Grizzly Valley.

    Paradise Pier:

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    Step into the greatest beach boardwalk that ever was, Paradise Pier. Strolling this nostalgic Victorian boardwalk you can feast on an amazing variety of snacks, from hot dogs to salt water taffy to ice cream. Relax and dine in the gorgeous Beer Garden while you enjoy classic bandstand entertainment. The boardwalk, of course, features some of the greatest thrills that the Golden State has to offer. Jump aboard California Screamin’ and enjoy classic coaster fun. Try your hand at your favorite carnival games along with your Toy Story friends at Midway Mania and go sailing under the sea with Ariel on The Voyage of the Little Mermaid. But, be careful where you wander, Villains Lair lurks at the end of the boardwalk…not all guests who step aboard those boats come back.

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    Paradise Pier becomes a fantasy vision of turn of the century beach culture, seaside amusements and boardwalks. I’m sure these types of places must have fascinated Walt in his youth, before he saw how dirty and lackluster their reality was later as an adult. I think the new pier will fit the overall park’s feel and theme well, despite the critics.

    Basically, I like the direction that WDI is taking with this land. I just have a few suggestions on ways that the land might be improved. The area shown in my sketch in light greenish-blue would unofficially become the “fantasyland” of DCA. They are already going in this direction somewhat, and I think it should be reinforced, particularly because my plan does call for the removal of BugsLand. I would add two more dark rides to the area, as well as some other attractions for kids. I would also replace the Goofy Sky School with a fully enclosed Crush’s Coaster, if space would allow, unless the Goofy Ride is a major upgrade over MM and worth keeping.

    My other major suggestion would be for the area in the dark turquoise color at the west end of PP. Here I would put a Villains Lair ride along the lines of some of the ideas WDI has presented in the past. It would be themed to look like a Victorian palace atop a spooky looking rock outcropping. It would be a “tunnel of love” type of flume-coaster hybrid ride with boats a little bigger than a log type ride, featuring a big drop outside the building that would splashdown into the lagoon.

    A whole villains feel would be created for the area that hosts the ride, down a little back street behind Screamin’s west helix. From anywhere in PP you’d be able to see rocky peaks reminiscent of Big Sur integrated into and around the swing ride and Screamin’, and the higher parts of the hilltop “palace” looming beyond. This would again be part of “berm” creation. In that vain, I would also hope that the PP hotel could be remodeled to have a more era appropriate looking façade.

    I would also focus on doing a lot of place making throughout PP. Near the Villains Lair ride I would also add a big Victorian building that would house a lavish candy and ice cream parlor filled with comical villainous offers of tempting treats. I would have some performance rafts that would feature period performances by the likes of jugglers, magicians, and tumblers. I would also extend the Victorian covered walkways like those built in front of Toy Story Midway Mania and add more other similar small touches around the area. I also have been thinking about a concept for a singing AA sea animal show for the World of Color viewing area.

    I also have heard a rumor that the queue of Screamin’ might be relocated into the east helix, and the Golden Zephyr would be relocated to the area where the queue is now. I really like this idea and hope that this is something WDI is actually considering doing, because that would be a much better location.

    Radiator Springs:

    Narrative:
    Embark into California’s desert and visit the Route 66 town of Radiator Springs. This sprawling land features classic car culture, drive-ins, hot rods and all of your friends from Cars. Go bumping through a tire yard with Luigi or catch a movie and dine at a drive-in theater. If you’re looking for big thrills, race with Lightning McQueen aboard Radiator Springs Racers and speed through a striking monument valley landscape. Radiator Springs is the town where California’s love affair with cars comes alive.

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    I have some issues with Carsland, so I suggest it instead be, Radiator Springs, which I have heard rumored as a possibility as well. I really think they need to emphasize car culture more than the movie, but they are supposedly moving in the right direction on this. I fully understand and would support taking advantage of the merchandising opportunities the franchise provides, but that does not mean the whole land should be so dominated by one movie franchise. The rumored loss of the drive-in movie theater restaurant bothers me, but in my plan it would actually free up space that I would devote instead to Golden Bay.

    To better define the borders of Radiator Springs, I would not build the Tow Mater Ride and as I said before, that area would be devoted to Golden Bay. It just is overkill on the Cars movie theme and not supportive of the theme the land should take. I would suggest eventually adding a Herbie attraction and adding back the drive-in theater in the expansion area that still remains in the parking lot. I would also add classic cars that could transport guests from near the central hub to near the entrance of Radiator Springs Racers to add transportation, motion and theming to the area.

    Golden Bay:

    Narrative:
    Come aboard the Golden Bay Passageway and sail through San Francisco’s golden age. Golden Bay is the cultural heart of post gold rush era California. Lavish gaming halls and restaurants line the grand boulevard and cultures come together along the docks and throughout Chinatown. There, not only can you enjoy great cuisine, you can also fly above the skyline on a Chinese Dragon and have a blast in a fireworks factory on Dragon’s Flight, at the Jade Dragon Fireworks Factory. For a more gentle and scenic flight, more fun awaits aboard the Western Hot Air Balloon Flight. Walk into the Presidio District and be transported to California’s past, there not only can you enjoy fantastic Mexican-American Cuisine, but also you can ride with Zorro on a swashbuckling adventure. If that’s not enough, head over to Pacific Wharf and dine on the wide variety of food Golden Bay has to offer. Golden Bay is truly the birthplace of the California dream.

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    As I said earlier, this concept is somewhat based on the one initially proposed by Tony Baxter for DL, called Discovery Bay. I believe it would fit well into its surroundings and the overall theme and feel of the park. Basically, the original featured several potential attractions that all sound great and I appreciate the clever way that it could house rides that go beyond the timeline and potentially even the shores of California. The real beauty of this land is that it would fit into DCA even better than DL.

    Golden Bay would bring a sense of adventure and a real presence for San Francisco in the park during its exciting post-Gold Rush era. I also think that the elevation changes that I described earlier could be used to really give that SF feel and create some beautiful vistas in the area. My concept would differ from Baxter’s in some significant ways though; it would lose most of the Jules Verne type feel and some new original aspects would be added including the Golden Bay Passageway Boats that would transport people throughout the park, and some new and different districts and attractions.

    The land would house five sub-land areas or districts, which would represent San Francisco of the pre-quake era, but each would be somewhat distinct architecturally and culturally like the real city. The theming near Walt Disney plaza would start out with some architecturally Spanish style buildings near the Carthay Circle Theater, this would be the Presidio District and house a Zorro attraction, assuming of course that Disney could gain the rights to do so. I think Zorro is a lasting character that would fit into the park well and give an attraction that would be another adventurous type of attraction with a broad, family appeal. It would be a timeline discrepancy, but I think that could be dealt with in a creative way again citing “Pirates of the Caribbean” as an example to follow. As I said earlier, I think some aspect of early Spanish culture should be explored and this would be a good way to break the timeline inside the attraction, while the Presidio District exists in a timeline and place cohesive with the rest of Golden Bay.

    As you transitioned into the land, you would come across the Chinatown area, which would feature the fireworks factory attraction. This area would have some small back streets and have a somewhat New Orleans Square type feel. It would have quaint Chinese and Dim Sum restaurants and interesting little shops around each corner. The fireworks factory attraction is another re-imagined version of one of Baxter’s original concepts. My concept would be a suspended dark coaster attraction that would have Chinese dragon coasters, which would sail over Chinatown rooftops and then through the exploding fireworks factory.

    As you wrap around the bay, you would enter the heart of Golden Bay, the Downtown District. There would be set-place ships and grand gaming halls, restaurants and stores. Near the border between the Downtown and Chinatown areas would be the end of the red car line and the “Passageway” boat docks. In the area shown in grayish-green, would be a major E-ticket and a dramatic “weenie” that would draw you into the land, possibly Tony Baxter’s grand Western Hot Air Balloon Ride or another family ride concept. It could also use some of the remaining Lion King lot for space for a show building. Though I haven’t developed specific concepts, I would suggest possibly a high quality dark ride in mini trolleys or a large flume ride like Pirates and Small World, but obviously with an appropriate theme.

    The last two districts of Golden Bay are the existing Pacific Wharf and Napa areas, which would essentially stay the same, with possibly some small changes to help bring additional cohesiveness with the rest of Golden Bay. The last thing I would mention about the area is that there would be berms, landscaping, and rockwork to help separate it from Radiator Springs. I strongly believe this one piece, Golden Bay, would really be the final step in providing a unified concept for the park.
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    The Muppet building and Millionaire buildings and possibly an attaching building, would house a Muppet ride. The exterior would be re-themed to be more time period appropriate and the ride would also have a ‘30’s Hollywood feel. I think the Muppet franchise could be easily set within the period theme as the characters have a very timeless Hollywood type of feel. I also think it is an under utilized property that should be exposed to a new generation who would find the characters very appealing, especially if they were presented in a fun new way.


    Any thoughts on the kind of ride it should be? My natural inclination is some sort of omnimover system, but at the same time, the Muppets are not the Muppets without explosions and frenetic activity.
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    Re: Uncle Bob's Re-imagined California Adventure

    Quote Originally Posted by EmeralineDragon View Post
    Any thoughts on the kind of ride it should be? My natural inclination is some sort of omnimover system, but at the same time, the Muppets are not the Muppets without explosions and frenetic activity.
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    Actually, @ DHS, there was a planned The Great Muppet Movie Ride, which included recreations of movies by AA Muppets. This was to go with a whole Jim Henson area, but was scrapped when he died. The only remaining attraction from the plan is Muppet*Vision 3D

    EDIT: It was scrapped due to budget cuts from the struggling theme park, not the death of Jim Henson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmeralineDragon View Post
    Any thoughts on the kind of ride it should be? My natural inclination is some sort of omnimover system, but at the same time, the Muppets are not the Muppets without explosions and frenetic activity.
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    I had actually been thinking about a kind of stylized mini '30's bus. (If they really wanted to push the boundries, driven by an AA Gonzo bus driver.) It could use a ride system simmilar to Journey to the Center of the Earth from TDS. The seating would be eight people in rows of two and it would have a motion base with enough motion for some cool effects, but not as much bumpy motion and speed as Indy, so pretty small kids could still ride it.

    I terms of the story, I'd like it to be fully set in '30's Hollywood and all the characters would just have '30's clothes and stuff to fit their role. I'd had a couple ideas for plots. One is that you're on a rescue effort for Kermit, who we discover has been falsely imprisoned, with some gansters being involved, and needs to perform at a Muppet Gala event later that night. I guess the only thing I don't like is it's a little "Something's gone terribly wrong," but that is an easy, simple plot, to make work in an attraction.
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    Re: Uncle Bob's Re-imagined California Adventure

    @UncleBob

    What are you planning to do with ITTBAB? Will it be removed alongside A Bug's Land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jl559 View Post
    @UncleBob

    What are you planning to do with ITTBAB? Will it be removed alongside A Bug's Land?
    I personaly hope he says it's going..I just really dislike that attraction, It's so cheesy and It's like when they were designing it were just like..."how can we fit in this cle shae 3D effect here?" it's soooooo bad..did I mention that I'm scared of bugs?

    edit: that and basicly all the 3D effects are too overdone, at points you have to cross your eyes to see things, and the whole thing is way to "in your face!!".

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    i think the Carthay theater would be a perfect building to house a queue for an attraction.

    The first thing i would do is enclose the stage area in the HPB backlot area and move the playhouse Disney show over there.

    Next thing would be to gut out the playhouse Disney building and expand it a bit towards the backstage area. I would then connect this building to the Carthay building. This would give a decent size attraction show building and queue. To avoid having a fake facade facing the hollywood section, i would use the playhouse queue waiting area in the Hollywood picture backlot area as well as a small section of the facade area for small food ODV and/or giftshop.


    Notice in the following sketch for the new Disney plaza, how the Carthay will have a garden area between the playhouse Disney building and actual Carthay structure. Also notice that a small structure will be built along the back end of that area blocking the gates that will not be needed anymore.


    Also notice the shape of the Playhouse Disney show building. It is much bigger than the actual building which exist now. The building in this sketch has been expanded so that it uses some of the backstage area which was necessary when the restuarant was there. Also from what has been said when playhouse took over the building they only used part of the actual structure. The kitchen and infrustructure is still there so all that as well as the infrustucture behind the building could easily be removed.

    All this would make for a perfect attraction at the parks entrance.

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    Re: Uncle Bob's Re-imagined California Adventure

    Well I have an idea for 2 rides, one for Hollywoodland and one for Grizzly Peak. In the old hollywood and dine area, plus some of the surrounding patio and backstage area would be made into a new Rock'n'Rollercoaster with a new band (hey, we'd actually be in LA, we know what the traffic can be like ). The second ride would essentially be a pirates type ride themed to a natural history museum that comes to life. it would take up the area that is occupied by brother bear. The beginning would be a dry section, seemingly like Ellens Energy adventure in EPCOT. You'd start out in a large room surrounded be "stuffed" animals and scenes of important historical moments. A tour guide (animatronic) would start as if you were taking a normal tour, pointing out different exhibits. Suddenly, the scenes around you would start to come to life, animals making sounds, and the figures acting out like it was real. The tour guide would urge you to try and get out and to stay away from the exhibits. As it turns out, the Lewis and Clark exhibit starts dumping water, and you are pushed into a PotC like trough and begin your adventure. The whole ride would feel like you are noahs ark rushing through a flooding museum, avoiding the lions on their perches, the dinosaurs, and the mummies. At one point you would ride through the replica tomb, and through flooded high desert, display boxes would float aimlessly, and even seafaring adventurers would join you, perhaps even trying to sink you. After all that, a giant whale eats you, and you shoot out the blowhole (elevator) back into the lobby.

    Whew that took awhile. Anyways, the second one I've been thinking about for awhile and i had to get it out there.

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    Re: Uncle Bob's Re-imagined California Adventure

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    I had actually been thinking about a kind of stylized mini '30's bus. (If they really wanted to push the boundries, driven by an AA Gonzo bus driver.) It could use a ride system simmilar to Journey to the Center of the Earth from TDS. The seating would be eight people in rows of two and it would have a motion base with enough motion for some cool effects, but not as much bumpy motion and speed as Indy, so pretty small kids could still ride it.
    Sounds good; my second thought would have been an Indy style ride system. Toned down is good, so we can raise up a new generation on the Muppets.

    I terms of the story, I'd like it to be fully set in '30's Hollywood and all the characters would just have '30's clothes and stuff to fit their role.
    The Muppets do "period pieces" well...giving them their own wacky spin, of course.

    I'd had a couple ideas for plots. One is that you're on a rescue effort for Kermit, who we discover has been falsely imprisoned, with some gansters being involved, and needs to perform at a Muppet Gala event later that night. I guess the only thing I don't like is it's a little "Something's gone terribly wrong," but that is an easy, simple plot, to make work in an attraction.
    And of course, if they went with Gonzo as a driver, he could provide us with plot exposition.
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