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    Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    If your not sure/havent heard of what "Sci-Fi" city is. It is what Tokyo Disneyland's revamped tomorrowland was going to be. It pretty much represents what is being described for the new tomorrowland that Baxter has planned, "Retro/Star Warsy, with bits of TL2055 in it".











    I sure hope the new Tomorrowland will be like Sci-Fi City!


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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    Very cool, thanks for posting the images. I like this direction I guess, it looks pretty cool ,but I'm not sure I'm in love with it. Anyway, I just hope that TB can get the money approved, it sounds like it will be a very exciting project and time for the DLR if he can.

    BTW, for those of you who haven't heard the latest rumors about TL. Supposedly it will be done in three stages, the first will retheme the front of the land and bring the new Star Tours upgrade. Phase 2 will be rethemeing the rest of the land, bringing a new Peoplemover and replacing the jets/orbitor where it belongs and replacing HISTA with a new D+ attraction. The final phase will be the demo of the Carrousel of Progress/Innoventions building to be replaced with a new major E-ticket for TL.

    I think this is all part of the, long term plans to "perfect" the existing parks prior to commencing the third gate, which sounds like it still may happen sooner then we think. Of course, all of this rests largely on the success of the DCA transformation and on John Lassiter continuing to gain influence over the direction of WDI and the resort. If DCA continues to struggle or if Pixar has a couple of duds, these plans might never happen.
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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    If your not sure/havent heard of what "Sci-Fi" city is. It is what Tokyo Disneyland's revamped tomorrowland was going to be. It pretty much represents what is being described for the new tomorrowland that Baxter has planned, "Retro/Star Warsy, with bits of TL2055 in it".
    I sure hope the new Tomorrowland will be like Sci-Fi City!
    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bob View Post
    Very cool, thanks for posting the images. I like this direction I guess, it looks pretty cool ,but I'm not sure I'm in love with it. Anyway, I just hope that TB can get the money approved, it sounds like it will be a very exciting project and time for the DLR if he can.

    BTW, for those of you who haven't heard the latest rumors about TL. Supposedly it will be done in three stages, the first will retheme the front of the land and bring the new Star Tours upgrade. Phase 2 will be rethemeing the rest of the land, bringing a new Peoplemover and replacing the jets/orbitor where it belongs and replacing HISTA with a new D+ attraction. The final phase will be the demo of the Carrousel of Progress/Innoventions building to be replaced with a new major E-ticket for TL.

    I think this is all part of the, long term plans to "perfect" the existing parks prior to commencing the third gate, which sounds like it still may happen sooner then we think. Of course, all of this rests largely on the success of the DCA transformation and on John Lassiter continuing to gain influence over the direction of WDI and the resort. If DCA continues to struggle or if Pixar has a couple of duds, these plans might never happen.
    Whichever happens, I hope it happens sooner than later. I like both of these plans though.

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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    oh no, so were going from a retro 1900 Jules Verne / H.G. Wells future to a retro 1950's sci fi flick future? Any chance we can get an "ACTUAL" future somehow???

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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    Original Main St - based on real 1900's
    Original Adventureland - based on true live adventures tv shows
    Original Frontierland - based on 1800's western frontier
    Original Tomorrowland - based on what the future of 30+ years ahead might be like
    Original Fantasyland - based on fictional fantasy animated Disney Films

    so WHAT HAPPENED???

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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    Quote Originally Posted by GothicManor View Post
    oh no, so were going from a retro 1900 Jules Verne / H.G. Wells future to a retro 1950's sci fi flick future? Any chance we can get an "ACTUAL" future somehow???
    Nope. And with good reason. The actual future changes as quick as the second hand on a clock and will constantly have to be updated. That's how Tomorrowland got into the fix that it is currently in. Constantly having to keep up with tomorrow ("Tomorrow is a heck of a thing to keep up with!" ~Walt) made it financially unfeasible to keep Tomorrowland nice and up to date. So they kind of stopped because they had no clue how to pull it off. Simply put, you really can't.

    So what do you do then?

    You pick a future that isn't going to happen. You go retro. The 50's-60's ideal of the future is incredibly recognizable and widely accepted as "the future." It isn't going to happen that way any more. Because of this, it becomes more or less fixed without losing its futuriness. This is why either a Victorian Steampunk or 60's retro future will happen. They will allow for consistency of theme and the ability to keep it futuristic without having to keep up with reality.

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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    I understand this but I dont agree.

    You look at upcoming technology and the still dreams of future exploration and discovery and you make a projection say fifty years into the future of what it might be like. And yes every say 25 to 30 yrs you will have to do major updating but SO what thats the whole point of a Tomorrowland, it was supposed to be a look into the promise of the future and it by its nature would have to always change, Disney just has to accept this the other lands dont need this kind of overhaul every quarter century but when they said a few years back we cant do this and give up on the concept was a sad pathetic day indeed.

    Space flight to mars and beyond is still in the future.
    A city where we can provide a high quality of life and NOT destroy the environment is possible and still in the future.
    Genetic engineering, nanotechnology all are in the near future and provide alot of ideas.
    Robotics and A.I. is on the horizon. Space tourism is about a year away....

    A new miniaturization attraction could be created, Fox is remaking Fantastic Voyage for 2009/10.

    I guess futurist Syd Mead being a friend of mine is partly to blame for my optomistic viewpoint. He and other futurists seem to do a pretty good job of representing a future that is decades or centuries away. Star Trek still seems centuries away... why cant Disneygeers figure it out? (notice I didnt say Imagineers as far as I am concerned all the original Imagineers are gone and the current ones dont deserve the moniker)

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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    Quote Originally Posted by GothicManor View Post
    I understand this but I dont agree.

    You look at upcoming technology and the still dreams of future exploration and discovery and you make a projection say fifty years into the future of what it might be like. And yes every say 25 to 30 yrs you will have to do major updating but SO what thats the whole point of a Tomorrowland[...]

    Space flight to mars and beyond is still in the future.
    A city where we can provide a high quality of life and NOT destroy the environment is possible and still in the future.
    Genetic engineering, nanotechnology all are in the near future and provide alot of ideas.
    Robotics and A.I. is on the horizon. Space tourism is about a year away....

    A new miniaturization attraction could be created, Fox is remaking Fantastic Voyage for 2009/10.
    I actually agree with you partially here. Having a theme of Victorian Steampunk or mid 20th century retro doesn't stop them from doing all the things you stated. It simply provides a cohesive visual theme that isn't going to have to change as modern styles do. The other lands do not suffer from this problem because their thematic elements are firmly rooted in the past (which really doesn't change all that much).

    The Sci-Fi city idea this thread started with is not about rides, attractions or shows. It is about the world those rides, attractions and shows live in. When it comes to the rides you mention, I am with you 100% and actually have ideas for several of those.

    But the theme of the land itself needs to be something that can be consistent so that the land can have an identity finally and grow to have the same charm as NOS or Fantasyland. Changing it constantly makes it hard for this to happen. The theme needs to be something instantly recognizeable by anyone (from anywhere) as a futuristic theme. The two mentioned can do this as they have been used worldwide to represent the future.

    I think the intent of this thread is to discuss visual identity, not actual inhabitants or the land.

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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mycroft16 View Post
    I actually agree with you partially here. Having a theme of Victorian Steampunk or mid 20th century retro doesn't stop them from doing all the things you stated. It simply provides a cohesive visual theme that isn't going to have to change as modern styles do. The other lands do not suffer from this problem because their thematic elements are firmly rooted in the past (which really doesn't change all that much).

    The Sci-Fi city idea this thread started with is not about rides, attractions or shows. It is about the world those rides, attractions and shows live in. When it comes to the rides you mention, I am with you 100% and actually have ideas for several of those.

    But the theme of the land itself needs to be something that can be consistent so that the land can have an identity finally and grow to have the same charm as NOS or Fantasyland. Changing it constantly makes it hard for this to happen. The theme needs to be something instantly recognizeable by anyone (from anywhere) as a futuristic theme. The two mentioned can do this as they have been used worldwide to represent the future.

    I think the intent of this thread is to discuss visual identity, not actual inhabitants or the land.
    Some visual unity would most definitely be nice. It's really too cluttered of a land...(visually) Tomorrowland needs to be streamlinded, cleaned up and given an identity. I trust that the Imagineers will fix these problems with the "stages" that were mentioned earlier.

    They need to get rid of the red brick pathways... they fit with the 98 theme, but now they just add to the messiness.

    Close off the land a portion at a time, and fix the dang thing!

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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    I had a thought for Innovations would it be possiable to put the CircleVision-360 in there, I always thought that was one of the most amazing atttractions.
    With the changes coming does that mean that rosck is gone too? It kind of lucks like some big Alien had a very bad BM!
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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    Quote Originally Posted by GothicManor View Post
    oh no, so were going from a retro 1900 Jules Verne / H.G. Wells future to a retro 1950's sci fi flick future? Any chance we can get an "ACTUAL" future somehow???
    Well, if you can figure out what the "actual" future is, I'm sure Disney as well as myself would love to hear about it.

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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    So, Tomorrowland should have heaters on full blast everywhere? Even (especially) in the summer?
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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    I like the overall look of this Tomorrowland. I always hated that Tomorrowland has been, overall, a courtyard. All of the buildings generally blend with one another (or literally appear to be one big building), and too much time was spent giving it the same exact motif. It looks like what it is -- a vaguely futureistic designed theme park land.

    All of the other areas in Disneyland are their own sorts of Main Streets. Individual buildings all supporting the overall theme with their own styles. There is a lived-in look... even if it's clean and spiffy (Main Street USA), it's believeable that each building could have tenants. That goes for every area of Disneyland except Tomorrowland.*

    At least this concept gives Tomorrowland that lived in, real world look. It's funny future, but it still works, just as well has 2015 Hill Valley worked in Back to the Future (and still works on rewatching the film). Sure, we're not going to have our hoverboards and flying cars in a few years, and we're thankfully not going to be wearing a lot of not-quite-florescent clothing (nor our pants inside out and two ties)... but it's still futuristic. Even today. Despite the fact it was a 80s tongue-in-cheek view of the future.

    This concept sure has that same idea. It's not the future as it is going to be. But it IS a future environment that is engaging, welcoming, fun and filled with whimsy. And it's a good launching point to head off on our Space Mountain adventure, take a tour to Endor (or wherever), go visit Austrailian fish or even train to be part of Star Command.

    And, it has the key element that Tomorrowland is missing. Despite it's retro-future theme, it gives each building its own motif. Each building... each attraction, shop, store... IS its own building. There are flying cars (grounded, for the moment). There are rockets. There are the trappings of an everyday life in THIS future world.

    It's not the perfect concept for Tomorrowland. But it's one that works with the mismatch of attractions that we have. It invites all sorts of new attractions and ideas that we couldn't possibly imagine -- and doesn't run into a thematic dead-end like a Star Wars themed land might. Or a space land might. And those later additions can have their theme and style spill out into the main central area of Tomorrowland without causing a problem since the land already is designed that way

    If this is the future, let's see it in person someday.

    *and, to a lesser extent, Critter Country. The common area of the land looks okay, and goes together decently. But why are we entering a barn to go on Splash Mountain? And what exactly are we entering when we go visit Winnie the Pooh? At least in Fantasyland, we're going into Toad Hall, or a Londonesque building, or the Wicked Queen's castle. Why are both attractions in Critter Country barns?

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    Re: Will Tony Baxters New Tomorrowland be anything like "Sci-Fi City"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneyphenom View Post
    I like the overall look of this Tomorrowland. I always hated that Tomorrowland has been, overall, a courtyard. All of the buildings generally blend with one another (or literally appear to be one big building), and too much time was spent giving it the same exact motif. It looks like what it is -- a vaguely futureistic designed theme park land.

    All of the other areas in Disneyland are their own sorts of Main Streets. Individual buildings all supporting the overall theme with their own styles. There is a lived-in look... even if it's clean and spiffy (Main Street USA), it's believeable that each building could have tenants. That goes for every area of Disneyland except Tomorrowland.*

    I agree! I hope we get a Tomorrowland that seems more like a future city.
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