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    Hmmmm. LCD ADVERTISEMENTS or the world of tomorrow devoid of ART.

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    Maybe it could be done similar to the Freemont Street canopy in downtown Vegas,just wouldnt feature Sinatra singing "Luck Be A Lady Tonight"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Afraid
    Hmmmm. LCD ADVERTISEMENTS or the world of tomorrow devoid of ART.
    noooo we're talking about LED murals that move and react

    I do think that if they were going to do something it should be done artfully and not advertisment like (moving art is possible but you had better think it through)

    3D artists really don't get enough credit anyways

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    OK what I meant by the fact that mary did the mural is this: she did all the glazing and prep work pretty much all by herself, she did however have help with the transfering of her original drawn art to the tiles, and of course installation. Once the drawn art was transferred as a "sketch" onto the tiles, mary did do about 85-90% of the glazing herself, because she wanted control over the accuracy of the colors. I dont think I have a copy anymore, but there was a pamphlet handed out at that children's hospital openening that explained her process and talked about her Disney mural projects. She often did her own mixing of glazes to reach the correct colors she desired as well; using test "sheets" of clay in firing. To her and Walt, color was one of the most important parts of the process because she was well known for her color combinations and she wanted this part as accurate as possible to her vision. She did have a hand in the installation as well, but not very much she more was a guide for that. I do think I recall that Mary did want to do all of the art for the mural herself including the transferring process, but reluctantly took on assistants because Walt had her so busy on other projects at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurgi
    As to the content of the murals; count me as one that never felt they belonged in Tomorrowland. Even as a kid I always associated them with It's a Small World. Yes, they were pretty to look at, but as a kid I never understood what was futuristic about them.
    I, too always felt the murals were all wrong for the spots they occupied. Ms. Blair was a very talented artist who contributed a unique style to many Disney projects during her career. But as colorful and decorative as they were, they just did not fit the TL atmosphere and especially in the prominent entry way they occupied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertdweller
    But as colorful and decorative as they were, they just did not fit the TL atmosphere and especially in the prominent entry way they occupied.
    I suppose the Art Corner didn't fit TL either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania
    The Mary Blair mural looks very 1960s.

    While I know it's sacriledge among some here to suggest it, I'd rather see it restored at one of the hotels or something. It has very little to do with tomorrowland, although I'll confess it's replacement isn't much more proper.
    Exactly, why dont they restore it somewhere else? It is a piece of Disneyland history and should be revived in some form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RX-24
    Maybe it could be done similar to the Freemont Street canopy in downtown Vegas,just wouldnt feature Sinatra singing "Luck Be A Lady Tonight"
    I've also thought about that canopy in relation to Tomorrowland, at least over the Buzz/Star Tours walkway. I think of Robotech's "EVE" system, where they created might and day effects. I think it could be fun to create different environments using the canopy, i.e underwater city, starscape, fireworks, etc. Plus, you could control light levels the entire day, enabling stellar effects all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disneyfreak
    Exactly, why dont they restore it somewhere else? It is a piece of Disneyland history and should be revived in some form.
    you mean like a Small World themed family resort hotel they could buy out one of the hotels across the streat, take it down and rebuild a slightly larger resort hotel that has a Small World theme and the murals on it's side walls

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    Good idea...I was thinking the murals would really look great in the vicinity of SW. That hotel behind the monorail houses on the corner of Ball and Harbor would be a perfect little SW themed hotel

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    By the way, since we're talking about large LED signboards, the people you'd want to talk to about that in the southwest US would be Yesco. They make almost all the electronic video signboard marquees for the Vegas casinos.

    Some Tomorrowlandish themed stuff on the LED signs would be neat, provided they aren't too bright that they overpower the place at night. Although I've found that as long as most your animations are on a black background instead of a white background, that isn't a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Afraid
    I suppose the Art Corner didn't fit TL either.
    Yes, I had a problem with that also! TL on my first visit in '59 had the gift shop which sold animated film cells at really cheap prices. I remember pawing through cell after cell from Sleeping Beauty and debating spending my hard earned vacation savings on one or two of them...believe they came with background lithos, too. That was a big mistake but I didn't quite understand what a shop like that was doing in that location. I felt it should have been in Fantasyland.

    The 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea Exhibit puzzled me also. At 13 I had seen the film a few years before, loved it and it was great seeing the giant squid and the Captain's Quarters. Just couldn't get the connection to TL except for a Victorian story being considered SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertdweller
    Yes, I had a problem with that also! TL on my first visit in '59 had the gift shop which sold animated film cells at really cheap prices. I remember pawing through cell after cell from Sleeping Beauty and debating spending my hard earned vacation savings on one or two of them...believe they came with background lithos, too. That was a big mistake but I didn't quite understand what a shop like that was doing in that location. I felt it should have been in Fantasyland.

    The 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea Exhibit puzzled me also. At 13 I had seen the film a few years before, loved it and it was great seeing the giant squid and the Captain's Quarters. Just couldn't get the connection to TL except for a Victorian story being considered SF.
    Well, as history tells us, for several years Tomorrowland was in many ways more like "We'll come back and finish this tomorrowland." Some things, like 20K, did bend the theme a bit, but made some significant course changes in 59 and completely fixed the situation in 67. The World on the Move was about so much more than just space space space. Classic Tomorrowland was also about progress, technology, exploration of land sea and air, and even the molecules that form our world.

    And yes, one of the prescient choices was to include futuristic art and entertainment. Tomorrowland Stage, Circlevision, and the murals addressed new approaches to leisuretime.

    And technically, who in the early days of Disneyland would have known that animation cels would be considered art? But it did come to pass, so while it may not have seemed very "tomorrow" at the time, accidentally or purposely Disney called it right.

    I guess that's why I cut more slack for Buzz. To me, it's less about space and more about entertainment technology. And some day, I can see the ride rethemed as a virtual reality game, or the shooting technology could be used in conjunction with a bumper cars attraction, where you can actually earn points for shooting targets or other cars... The idea is very current, and has room for progress.

    I guess, since the Blair murals are gone in their current incarnation, I would like to see a similar approach of progress and upgradability used to keep them somewhere in Tomorrowland. We have hidden Mickeys, how about a few Hidden Marys? Instead of RRPP, how about creating an eatery called RetroRockets, designed as a 2055 look back at how the past imagined the future? Go in, salvage what can be salvaged of the original mural, and reconstruct them in this new context. Or take some of the original design concepts and have the mural children show up in some of the videomurals people are talking about. don't abandon them, bring them forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ModHatter
    Or take some of the original design concepts and have the mural children show up in some of the videomurals people are talking about. don't abandon them, bring them forward.
    I think the LED or whatever technology used would be cool, especially since most of Mary Blair's art is so kinetic. Perhaps along with other visuals, having the image of the original murals appear, then become animated...It would be great if they brought back some version of the People Mover to have an "eye" level view of the whole thing. I fondly remember not really caring what the murals had to do with the future, but enjoying the mod music and just relaxing while taking in the color and style of her subjects.

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