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    Attack of the Clones!!!

    Well, more bad news for DCA according to Blue Sky Disney today. Apparently, the latest rumors coming out of WDI are that the Little Mermaid attraction planned for PP at DCA will be cloned exactly at the MK at WDW. When will this madness end???
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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    what's even worse is all the cloned threads on micechat about it!!!

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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bob View Post
    Well, more bad news for DCA according to Blue Sky Disney today. Apparently, the latest rumors coming out of WDI are that the Little Mermaid attraction planned for PP at DCA will be cloned exactly at the MK at WDW. When will this madness end???
    When Disney feels that it's more about each park having an idividual identity instead of cutting costs to improve profits.

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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    I think it looks pretty good. I do feel it would be better placed in Fantasyland. As far as dublicating rides I think it is ok to a degree.
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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bob View Post
    Well, more bad news for DCA according to Blue Sky Disney today. Apparently, the latest rumors coming out of WDI are that the Little Mermaid attraction planned for PP at DCA will be cloned exactly at the MK at WDW. When will this madness end???
    When Jay Rasulo is fired.


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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    The cloning will end when guests start paying to build the rides themselves. It costs so much more to custom build two different E-Ticket rides than to build two of the same simultaneously.

    Cloning started with the Haunted Mansion as they knowingly built two of everything at the same time and the concept still makes sense today.

    Most people who visit WDW are not DL visitors and many will never visit DCA no matter how good or original it turns out to be. This decision is a good one for a great majority of people.

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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    It is an interesting balance. On one end there is the need to preserve the integrity and unique identity of a park. On the other end there is the money issue when you boil it down to either using what you have or starting from scratch. I doubt the two will be identical. I am curious what will be added, or cut, in an attempt to define it as being "Disneyland's LM".

    The only time I was actually upset about a clone was when two were presented to Disneyland as Disneyland's 50th BDay presents... I felt that was wrong, that was a time when Disneyland honestly deserved something new and original!
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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by KISSman View Post
    The cloning will end when guests start paying to build the rides themselves. It costs so much more to custom build two different E-Ticket rides than to build two of the same simultaneously.
    Hmmm, I thought Disney parks for a while there were about having high quality parks that each had their own individuality. Meh, Disneyland's new name is UnversalLand


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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    Guests do pay to build the attractions. Build excellent unique attractions and you'll have even more guests and thereby more money to build more attractions. I understand that you've got to find ways to save money, but this is going too far. Each park should have at least 3 or 4 attractions that are unique to that park. I don't buy the arguement that there's not a market for people to visit both resorts or that people will never visit DCA, even if it's really cool in the future. If this is so, it's a self fufilling prophesy. That's what they've created by not making the resorts and parks unique. It's easier to get a huge fan of one to visit the other, then to create new fans IMO. Both are important, but if you don't give your fans a reason to go, then they won't. I agree that they can get away with cloning a lot, but it shouldn't be at the expense of giving each park some level of uniqueness.
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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    I've said this before... as long as they have the idea that all the parks should be the same, then I have no reason to go to any of the other parks. DLR, DLRP, WDW will lose out on potential one time visitors (who will spend on souvenirs) because they see them as being the same as their local park.

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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by KISSman View Post
    The cloning will end when guests start paying to build the rides themselves.
    When did Disney customers STOP paying to build attractions?

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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    I completely agree that each Disney park should have its own individuality and somethings that make each park special; however, I don't really feel that the parks have gotten to that point where they are all duplicates of each other.

    If you look at DL and DCA as one entity and WDW as another, there are STILL enough considerable differences to say that each park has its own individuality. When you compare the two resorts, there are plenty of differences in attraction experiences:

    DLR:
    Nemo
    Matterhorn
    Thunder (totally different track design)
    Indy
    Space
    POTC (totally different experience)
    Mansion (original - different story/design/experience)
    GRR
    Screamin'
    Carsland E-Ticket (when built)

    Remember, the two resorts have unique qualities in overall layout and design. WDW is spread out considerably, but their Magic Kingdom feels foreign to me and uncomfortable, whereas DL is THE ORIGINAL and makes better use of space than WDW Magic Kingdom.

    Even if the "same" attractions are installed in both parks (or other parks around the world), each attraction will have its own fingerprint (i.e. Jungle Cruise, Small World, POTC, Mansion/Manor).

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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle B. View Post
    Even if the "same" attractions are installed in both parks (or other parks around the world), each attraction will have its own fingerprint (i.e. Jungle Cruise, Small World, POTC, Mansion/Manor).
    This is how it has been done in the past. When one ride was taken from a park and put into another, it was altered in ways that did make it unique, even if these ways were subtle.

    Even Buzz has its differences in the ways the vehicles/guns function.

    But talk of actually cloning an attraction? This is a slippery slope indeed. For once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. It is incredibly dangerous for the bean counters/management/marketing people to see that this can save them huge amounts of money in the short term if they simply clone off rides. Because then this is what they will latch onto like leeches and they will suck the idea dry until DLR and WDW are indistinguishable.

    It needs to be nipped in the bud now.

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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    So I'm posting here a response to some of the comments in the DCA project tracker thread regarding cloned attractions, and Soarin' in particular. My opinion on it is that the ride concept is too successful not to clone it as WDW. However, I think that not installing a new movie was horrible and really they should have given it a totally different name as well. I don't have a problem with cloning successful concepts but complete cloning is going to be bad for business in the long run. It's like Circle Vision. It was too cool not to use at Epcot, but it's such a cool experience that it was also fun to see different films even if you'd seen one many times. I also think that they can clone themes without cloning attractions and would like to see that done more often as well. I also think WDW management seems partially to blame. It seems like they ask for a clone of anything that they like that goes into DLR. I don't know, maybe it's all coming down from Jay R., but it seems like they are at very least backing his plays pretty strongly.
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    Re: Attack of the Clones!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bob View Post
    I also think that they can clone themes without cloning attractions and would like to see that done more often as well.
    Bingo. Take the idea of the ride and then make it special to that park. Build on the theme that the first one did. Plus it. Why they have Soarin' over California in Florida I don't know. Do Soarin' over Florida. Or since it is in Epcot, do a ten wonders of the world theme. I mean, California? In Epcot? Really?

    If you are going to do the same ride again, spend the time and money to improve it or make it something special to that park.

    Our revels now are ended. These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air: And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little life Is rounded with a sleep. mycroft16 on Twitter

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