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    Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of California

    I was reading the thread about Golden Dreams closing, and thinking about another, more fanciful kind of attraction they could create based on people’s dreams of California.

    This would be an animatronics-based, ride through attraction of the type that I know they typically don’t build anymore. Yes, I admit they probably wouldn’t build this – it’s just a hypothetical concept.

    It would be a sort of California version of “Horizons”, except representing the different fantasies that people had of what they would find when they got to California, done in a humorous, Marc Davis-esque style.

    Here are a few ideas:

    Cities of gold resting on high cliffs with the ocean visible all around (Since California was believed to be an island by early explorers). Gold-armor clad “Amazons” riding gigantic gold-decorated gryphons. (Based upon the novel “Las Sergas de Esplandián” from which explorers got the name “California). This is the part that most interests me because it would fit the California theme, yet also bring a fantasy/mythic sense to the park.

    Prospectors chipping happily at gold-stuffed mine walls and celebrating their riches in a raucous saloon. Maybe a grizzled old prospector transforming “magically” into a well-to-do gentleman.

    A bustling Hollywood Boulevard crowded with agents and producers offering “we’ll-make-you-a-star” contracts to every newcomer in sight (including the riders). A glamorous 1940’s moviestar on every corner.

    This may be pushing it for Disney, but perhaps a 1960’s scene where young hippies gather in San Francisco with “flowers in their hair,” like the song says.

    Perhaps allusions to the realities that people who came to California faced could also be subtly incorporated.
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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    I like the idea and it's been something I've wanted to see in DCA since it opened in 2001. DCA was clearly lacking an immersive 'Disney' attraction in the stylings of Pirates and Haunted Mansion. Even MGM Studios opened with The Great Movie Ride which is similar in the amount of detail that went into it. Epcot has their Spaceship Earth and several others.

    Every park needs a tent-pole attraction that represents the park in some way. I'm just afraid that they might have missed the boat on this one and gone too far into the deep end with no way of turning back.

    Even the Eureka Parade was a step in the proper direction, although it lacked direction and got cancelled.

    Looking at the layout now, there wouldn't be a spot for an attraction of this magnitude... but I think the Carthay Circle Theater would be the prime location for an attraction that you dream of.


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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    Well Califa (the root of California) means paradise. There is Calfornia the ideal, and the reality. I like the idea of what inspired people about the state, it follows the ideal of Main Street, NOS, all of Disneyland really. The dreams, ideals, visions that inspired people to move onward. Of course we know that reality (no matter what state its in) is not always pleasant, but reality isn't what I'm looking for when I go to Disney, especially since reality is literally across the street.

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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    Quote Originally Posted by animagusurreal View Post
    This may be pushing it for Disney, but perhaps a 1960’s scene where young hippies gather in San Francisco with “flowers in their hair,” like the song says.
    Good idea. But as a matter of fact, Disney did have an attraction that featured hippies. It was America Sings, in the 20th century scene. They were kind of cartoony, but they were definitely hippies.

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    There should be a suburbia ride.
    They would add more and more to it each year.

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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    I think that DCA could have had a great attraction for the theme of the Dreams of California.

    But there would have been some principles that needed to be followed.

    1) This needs to be a ride not a show. I want to experience the concept, not just see movies of it.

    2) It has be be fun for kids as well as adults. Kids don't want a history lesson. They want to have fun! Kids ride POTC not to learn the history of pirates in the Caribbean, but to pretend they are pirates!

    3) It needs to have a slow moving ride system. The more complex the story the slower the ride system to provide time to show more. I am in favor of boat ride systems. They are fun, slow moving, and refreshingly cool for a hot park.
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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex E View Post
    There should be a suburbia ride.
    They would add more and more to it each year.
    Hahaha. Would it have a Home Owners Association too?

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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    I think it's a really interesting idea, although I'm a little uncomfortable with it. It's wrong to present a homogenized version of history, but how would one address the issues that faced California and that still face it today (racism, etc.) in a sensitive, but ultimately "family-friendly" manner?

    Of course, recognizing the ambitions and dreams of those who went to California is necessary, but the concept's examples (while honest in terms of historic content) seems cynical in comparison to Disneyland's "Happiest Place on Earth/Where Dreams Come True/Etc." mottos. D:

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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    That is actually a really good idea. Even if DCA drops the California theme for the most part, perhaps something like this could be on DCA's 1920s LA themed Main Street.

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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    Quote Originally Posted by TwilitWings View Post
    I think it's a really interesting idea, although I'm a little uncomfortable with it. It's wrong to present a homogenized version of history, but how would one address the issues that faced California and that still face it today (racism, etc.) in a sensitive, but ultimately "family-friendly" manner?

    Of course, recognizing the ambitions and dreams of those who went to California is necessary, but the concept's examples (while honest in terms of historic content) seems cynical in comparison to Disneyland's "Happiest Place on Earth/Where Dreams Come True/Etc." mottos. D:
    I don't think this is really an issue. How is DL not already a homogenized version of history? This is exactly what killed the Disney's America project. In the context of Virginia, where real historic monuments are all around, I can understand the concerns somewhat. But this is DLR in Cali where this type of fantasy environment has existed for nearly 60 years. Why would the issue of racism be tackled in a theme park ride at all? Not really the appropriate forum obviously. I agree that the ride would have to avoid being cynical, but I think it could work if it's a romanticized and nostalgic take on the state.
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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bob View Post
    I don't think this is really an issue. How is DL not already a homogenized version of history? This is exactly what killed the Disney's America project. In the context of Virginia, where real historic monuments are all around, I can understand the concerns somewhat. But this is DLR in Cali where this type of fantasy environment has existed for nearly 60 years. Why would the issue of racism be tackled in a theme park ride at all? Not really the appropriate forum obviously. I agree that the ride would have to avoid being cynical, but I think it could work if it's a romanticized and nostalgic take on the state.

    I agree with you Uncle Bob. I think that Walt got criticized because he had such a "Pollyanna" view of America. But I think that people like upbeat and positive views. We should look to the best of America, not its problems. If a California attraction would be created, one should feel glad you are in California when you leave, not be ashamed of the mistakes of the past.

    After all people want to have fun on vacation and escape the problems of the real world are not there. People want to forget about unemployment, discrimination, hatred, and prejudice when they are on vacation. And that is ok.
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    What I had in mind for scenes like the mine overflowing with gold or the Hollywood street where everyone becomes a star is that they would be SO unabashedly optimistic they would actually be funny, yet there should be some degree of sincerity about them. Sort of how “Enchanted” is a send-up of Disney movies, but also a homage. I saw a video of Superstar Limo and it struck me as rather cynical (Maybe it was just the creepy agent puppet who kept yelling at you not to be late) and then I saw a video of Tiki Room: Under New Management which struck me as really incredibly self-loathing un-Disney cynical. I definitely wouldn’t want that.

    The scenes on the rugged Island of California with fierce warriors and gryphons or in the raucous saloon with gunplay a la pirates could be a bit more dramatic (but also handled with humor).

    Since the whole idea is that the ride represents people’s perceptions of California, rather than the reality, I don’t think we have to worry about being historically accurate. This is more about California as a state of mind.

    The one thing that bothers me just a bit is the gold rush section, where the "dream" is finding a lot of gold and getting rich, might come off as a celebration of greed, however perhaps the "freedom" of living in the wild west could also be represented.

    I’ve been trying to think of a finale. One idea I had was to show an animatronic Walt Disney overseeing the construction site of Disneyland, actually building his California dream, but if the ride was going in chronological order, that would mean you couldn’t have the San Francisco hippie scene, which of course happened later.

    Another idea was “New California” on another planet, with otherwordly versions of the events of the ride, such as prospecters with a mother lode of dilithium crystals. But then it struck me that might come off as a celebration of ongoing “Manifest Destiny”, which I wouldn’t want to do…

    And another idea was ending the ride in the Silicon Valley with a futuristic “virtual frontier” where people live out their fantasies in virtual reality. Not exactly sure how that would be represented.

    One way to make it more appealing to children (and me, actually ) would be to make the characters all anthropomorphic animals, a la America Sings. This allows for a lot of visual variety too, if you use a lot of different animals.

    I also had an idea for trasitions between the scenes – this is where a little bit more “reality” could come in – of figures on their way to California, on ships, in covered wagons, in jalopies, in Volkswagon vans, etc. – talking about what it’s going to be like when they get to California.

    I had a specific idea for the transition between the Gold Rush and the Hollywood Street – your omnimover or boat or whatever (haven’t decided yet) would travel up onto the stage in the saloon, between dancing can-can girls, and into the darkened proscenium arch beyond, representing you (and California) entering the world of entertainment.
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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    I think this has a lot of potential. It just needs a little refinement, but I think you're moving in the right direction. I definitely think the timeline transitions will be a challenge and a finale is tough too. I like the Walt concept, but I'm leary of an animatronic Walt in general. It's a little creepy and I think people should appreciate him as a real man not just an icon.
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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    Anim, you have a lot of great ideas. It sounds like a great show. I like AA characters and I think that it is expected at a Disney park. I also love the idea of an AA Walt, but I have heard that their is opposition by the Disney family. If that could not be done, I see a balcony high above with a silhouetted man. That could be Walt. Then have the AA's characters address him up there. That might go over OK with the Disney family.
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    Re: Attraction Concept Based Upon Dreams, Exaggerations and Misconceptions of Califor

    ^

    Thanks

    I was thinking about the AA Walt and why they wouldn't want an AA of him, when many other real people have been represented as AA's, including Abraham Lincoln - in a way, all of Disneyland represents Walt, so perhaps they don't want one single AA to represent him. If Disneyland were included in the ride, your way of having an "offstage" Walt might be the best way to go.


    I've also been thinking about the enterance to the ride:

    You would enter through stylized Spanish ship with a giant open book for sails. Written across the pages of the "sail-book" would be the sign for the ride "Legends of California". (I know, we've already got California in the title of two other attractions...but that's what the rides about! ) Small PotC style boats would "launch" from the opposite side of the ship, towards a golden fortress on the "Island of California".

    And, I was also thinking about the possibility of a "beach party movie"-type scene - there could even be a reference to Annette Funicello .

    I keep thinking of the "Hic-a-Doola" song from Family Guy for this section .
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