help w/ POTC: curse of the black pearl, curse?

[WRDup]

I was wondering if someone could help explain the terms of the curse from POTC: The Curse of the Black Pearl?

My friends and I watched it last night and for some reason there was some confusion at the end over the whole blood sacrifice thing.

[Disney Wrassler]

They needed the blood of Boot Strap Bill Turner to break the curse, since he placed the curse on the pirates. Now Barbossa and his crew went rampaging the city looking for the last medalion and the person with BootStrap Bills blood. They invaded Elizabeths house and kidnapped her since she had the medallion, thinking that she was BootStrap Bills child, but she took the medallion off of Will Turner when he was a little kid and kept it for herself. Only thing is that to break the curse they needed Will Turners blood. So when Turner cut his hand, bled on the medalion, and threw it into the aztec chest, he broke the curse. But if you watch till the end of the credits, the little monkey gets a medallion out of the chest, so the curse apparently continued.

[Tinker Bell]

OOOOOH!!! I'm so un-confuzled now. Thanks so much, Disney Wrassler!

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In Dead Man's Chest (That's the longest abbreviation in the world, POTC : DMC), I kept wondering how the monkey didn't die.

Now I know. Thanks again!!

[J9000]

the curse must have started again,

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otherwise mackenzie crook (cannot remember character name, the one with the glass eye) would appear as a skeleton in the moonlight scenes (which the monkey does). Jack- Undead monkey, cant beat that!

[Disney Wrassler]

I also remember at the end that Jack Sparrow grabbed a handful of Medallions. So that is probably how he did not die too.

[Tinker Bell]

GASP!!!!! Yes! Of course!!

[sediment]

Originally Posted by Disney Wrassler

I also remember at the end that Jack Sparrow grabbed a handful of Medallions. So that is probably how he did not die too.

Well, that's how he didn't die in the sword fight and became somewhat undeadable in the moonlight.

I don't think Bootstrap Bill put the curse on the gold. It was an inca/aztec curse that could only be lifted when all the gold was returned along with a blood sacrifice from those who stole it. Since Bill also stole the treasure before he was tossed into the sea, his blood was also needed.

Before Bill was tossed into the sea, Will somehow got the one gold piece. That was Bill's little punishment to the pirates.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Disney Wrassler

They needed the blood of Boot Strap Bill Turner to break the curse, since he placed the curse on the pirates.

um, no. Bootstrap Bill turner did not place the curse on them. When they stole and spent the aztec gold, they were ALL cursed- including Bootstrap. In order to break the curse they needed all of the aztec gold and each pirate had to offer his blood as sacrifice- the only blood they were missing was Bootstraps because they had sent him overboard. So they needed someone in his direct bloodline- which was Will.

Now Barbossa and his crew went rampaging the city looking for the last medalion and the person with BootStrap Bills blood. They invaded Elizabeths house and kidnapped her since she had the medallion, thinking that she was BootStrap Bills child, but she took the medallion off of Will Turner when he was a little kid and kept it for herself.

Bear in mind she told them her name was Elizabeth Turner- which is why they thought she was Bootstraps child. She only kept the medallion because she feared they would think Will was a pirate if they caught him with it.

Only thing is that to break the curse they needed Will Turners blood. So when Turner cut his hand, bled on the medalion, and threw it into the aztec chest, he broke the curse. But if you watch till the end of the credits, the little monkey gets a medallion out of the chest, so the curse apparently continued.

Both Jack and Will cut their hands and dropped the coins back into the chest- yes.

Wily little monkey-

[WRDup]

Originally Posted by DisneyWrassler

They invaded Elizabeths house and kidnapped her since she had the medallion, thinking that she was BootStrap Bills child

But when the pirates come to to elizabeths house they say "the gold calls to them". so they were clearly after the gold and not elizabeth. plus once on the black pearl & elizabeth tell barbosa that her last name is turner (trying to protect her own identity cause she thinks they would want to hold hostage, for leverage in any negotiations, the govoners daughter) does barbosa seem so interested in keeping her on board.

then during dinner with elizabeth barbosa explains that cortez cursed the gold because the aztecs were full of greed. it only happened by chance that the pirates fell into the curse because they stole the gold.

and then during the pirates first trip to the treasure cave barbosa says something to the effect that each pirate who took the gold out of the chest has replaced it along with a sacrifice of their blood.

then during the last battle scene just before jack shoots barbosa, jack cuts his hand and throws the gold to will turner.

so does every pirate who took gold out of the chest have to return it along with their own blood? and in this case wills blood since its the same blood as his father?

[WRDup]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

She only kept the medallion because she feared they would think Will was a pirate if they caught him with it.

which he was... just like his father.

[WRDup]

Barbosa had Bootstrap thrown overboard.

Originally Posted by sediment

Before Bill was tossed into the sea, Will somehow got the one gold piece. That was Bill's little punishment to the pirates.

Bootstrap knew of the curse and gave his son, Will, the medallion to keep it hidden and the pirates who betrayed him and threw him overboard cursed.

[Twist_of_Fate]

Basic mechanics of the curse: You take a coin out and you yourself are cursed. To become cursed, you must take a coin FROM the chest (basically, all the people that came into contact with the coins are NOT cursed themselves).

In CotBP, you have a big curse going on. You have Barbossa and his crew and the monkey, all who have returned the coins and their blood. They needed Bootstrap's blood, but alas, he's at the bottom of the ocean. Cue the movie storyline. At this point, for the curse to be broken for EVERYONE, Will needs to bleed and the coin needs to be put back. However, before that can happen, Jack takes a coin as well (Note: Elizabeth NEVER takes the medallion back out of the chest, Barbossa does, hence why she is not cursed). So now we need Will's blood to end the curse on the crew, and Jack needs his own blood to end his own curse (I consider his curse to be a personal one, because would it really be FAIR if the whole crew had to be cursed simply because someone took a coin BACK out).

And then it happens. No more curses, at all.

Until Jack (monkey) takes one out at the end and curses himself...

From what I gathered of the writer commentary, that's basically it.

Once again: Take a coin out of the chest itself, you're cursed.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by WRDup

which he was... just like his father.

He was a child- not a pirate- when she took the gold.

[Disney Wrassler]

For anyone who has already seen POTC2, does this cursed medallion stuff get cleared up in the movie storie? I mean I read on the imdb website that Barbossa and a few of his crew men. So that is what gets me confused. If they return, then does that mean the curse still exists? Or will they come back another way?

[Nephythys]

They weren't DEAD in the first place- just cursed so why couldn't they come back?

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and clearly Barbossa did not die from the gunshot- or something else is at play there- again- why could he not come back?