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    Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    LegCo just approved HK3.63 billion expansion for HKDL.

    Is the amount and scope of expansion too little and too small?

    Let's look at what others are doing in and around Hong Kong.

    Hong Kong Ocean Park is going to spend HK$5.55 billion (not including the 3 new hotels) for their latest Redevelopment Plan.

    Fisherman's Wharf at Macau just made an announcment today that they are going to invest HK$6.4 billion for their phase 1 expansion which would include a 90,000 sq. metre Dinosaur themed attraction plus other facilities. They expect to complete phase 1 expansion within 24 months. after then, they will invest at least HK$8 billion for Phase 2 expansion. It seems like they are putting in more money now than they open its door for business in 2005, the construction cost was over HK$2.6 billion.
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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    a big YES. I would have Grizzly and Mystic take up all the western-half of the park and Toy Story Land ditched. Mystic Point looks so promising yet too small for a 'land', plus: with the current layout, it can't be expanded further so that sucks. I think HKDL should hire Randy and approve his 'The Lost City' land instead of Toy Story Land. Ocean Park is going to thrive like hell when it's expanded.

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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    I would demolish Toy Storyland, and extend Grizzly Trail and Mystic Point. Then add western river expedition, without any large drops, and Gyser Mountain. Then Add a Splash Pirates to Mystic Point.

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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda..

    It ain't going to happen and no amount of gripping is going to change it. What you see is what we'll get, but I also expect better artwork for it to eventually show up. And I have a feeling the actual areas themselves will look very nice.

    As for Mystic Point, I consider it an extension of Adventureland.


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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    I kind of agree at extending Grizzly Trail and Mystic Point, I have to say some expansion is better than no expansion. Where would the park be if it stayed the same while all its competitors grew bigger?


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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    I would say yes, the expansion should be more, but I'm happy that at least they are doing some. The park is coming up on 4 years of operation, and yes, I think it should have opened bigger, but if expansion comes every 5 years that's not too bad.





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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    The expansion should be more of a
    larger scale.

    Especially since the resort will be competing
    against Shanghai in the future.

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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    All we can hope for now is that the expansion will result in more visitors and more income, thus enabling the park to expand ever further (and faster!) without either shareholder having to re-invest again.

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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    I think the price is little too hight, why always such kind of part cost so much?

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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    Another Theme Park is coming to this region of China or Asia.

    ChimeLong Group is going to build Asia's biggest Marine Park at Hengqin Island(Zhuhai, China).

    ChimeLong confirms new park project


    The Chimelong Group has been revealed as the developer of a planned marine park, safari and hotel development at Hengqin Island in Zhuhai, part of China’s Guangdong Province.

    Although still in the planning stages, local government approval has been secured for the project, described as the largest of its kind in China. Completion is expected by 2012.

    Speaking exclusively to Park World, Chimelong Group director of investment Tony Sze said the development represents a “massive opportunity,” and should bolster the tourist offering in the Pearl River Delta, in particular complementing activities in Macau – a short ferry hop from Zhuhai.

    “There is a lot gambling in Macau, but many families want to go and see it,” he notes. “We can provide them with something new in terms of tourism. Our current park [in Guangzhou] is more a regional park; here we want to develop an international destination.“

    Located in the Panyu district of Guangzhou, the existing Chimelong resort comprises an amusement park, waterpark, safari, crocodile park, circus, three hotels and a conference centre and has been awarded national 5 “A” status.

    China’s largest existing marine park is Ocean Park in Hong Kong. Together with Hong Kong Disneyland, OCT’s parks in Shenzhen, Macau’s resorts and casinos, Chimelong Resort and now the group’s new development in Zhuhai, the Pearl River Delta is set to offer one of the strongest groupings of parks and attractions in Asia.
    Source : Park-World Online

    A lot of new development in Theme Parks in this region, that is, Pearl River Delta Region.

    There are and will be at least 6 Resorts in this region and 5 Airports.

    1. Hong Kong Disneyland Resort

    2. Hong Kong Ocean Park

    3. Happy Valley, Shenzhen (OCT's Parks at Shenzhen)

    4. OCT East, Shenzhen (OCT's Parks at Shenzhen)

    5. Chimelong Resort, Panyu, GuangZhou (amusement park, waterpark, safari, crocodile park, circus)

    6. Chimelong Ocean World, Hengqin Island (Zhuhai) - 1st Phase to be completed by 2012

    Airports:
    1. Hong Kong International Airport
    2. ShenZhen Airport
    3. Macau Airport
    4. Zhuhai Airport
    5. GuangZhou Airport

    the Pearl River Delta is set to offer one of the strongest groupings of parks and attractions in Asia
    When the HK-Zhuhai-Macau Mega Bridge is completed, it will shorten the travelling time between HK, Macau and Zhuhai to approx 25-30mins by car.
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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    Proof right there that doing something, even if it is a little questionable (Playland), is a necessity for the park. They can't just bury their head in the sand and pretend that Shanghai, let alone these other parks exist.


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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    Quote Originally Posted by Asa View Post
    All we can hope for now is that the expansion will result in more visitors and more income, thus enabling the park to expand ever further (and faster!) without either shareholder having to re-invest again.
    HKDL's expansion gets completed the same time as Ocean Park's expansion which could be bad considering OP is offering more new stuff yet still with cheaper entry-tickets than Disney.

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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    Quote Originally Posted by hkdlfan View Post
    HKDL's expansion gets completed the same time as Ocean Park's expansion which could be bad considering OP is offering more new stuff yet still with cheaper entry-tickets than Disney.
    According to my understanding, HKOP will complete their expansion first (probably by 2012/2013) before the completion of HKDL's expansion by 2014.

    I believe the difference of ticket price will eventually be narrowed between HKOP and HKDL in the near future.

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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    Quote Originally Posted by HongKongDisneyland View Post
    According to my understanding, HKOP will complete their expansion first (probably by 2012/2013) before the completion of HKDL's expansion by 2014.
    Well that's a bit better. I think...

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    Re: Is HKDL's HK$3.63 billion expansion too little and too small?

    Quote Originally Posted by hkdlfan View Post
    Well that's a bit better. I think...
    Regarding HKOP,
    Four more brand-new themed attraction areas will be opened between 2010 and 2013; and three themed hotels are scheduled to open between 2013 and 2015.
    Source : The Daily Tribune

    Ocean Park has awarded Leighton Asia a contract for works including the construction of an entry plaza, aquarium, restaurant and retail facilities plus lagoons and landscaping.

    The Entry Plaza comprises an elevated landscaped plaza on a podium with various facilities including ticketing, turnstiles, guest relations, banking, food and beverage, and retail. Beneath the podium there will be an at grade drop-off for cars, taxis, coaches and buses, parking for coaches and private cars, as well as a central kitchen, staff canteen and other back of house facilities.
    Aqua City comprises a lagoon which will be partially above the podium and partially at grade, food and beverage facilities, entertainment attractions and associated area development and infrastructure works.
    The Grand Aquarium will be a world-class marine life exhibition facility with a main tank capacity in excess of 5 million litres and some 20 smaller tanks. The Grand Aquarium will incorporate animal life support systems, lighting and audio visual special effects, dining and retail facilities and associated utility supplies.
    Construction works will involve the fixing of 10,000 tonnes of reinforcement steel and pouring of 65,000 cubic metres of concrete.
    Construction will commence in August 2008 and it is scheduled to be completed by November 2010.
    source : smile-net

    I gotta say the design of the Summit at HKOP looks amazing

    you can see the design here:--> Leigh and Orange Ltd.

    Watch Out HKDL.The conceptual design for HKOP's expansion really amazed me, very interesting.

    Not sure if it is really the final design or just one of the design proposals, but it looks very futuristic and modern.

    video for HKOP's expansion (old video, some dates are incorrect or should have been changed/updated)
    Last edited by HongKongDisneyland; 07-18-2009 at 08:11 AM.

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