I think HKDL should consider adding TSMM to Toy Story Land to make the land complete. With elaborate queue and facade. It is a quick fix and that the ride is very popular. Also, it could be considered a "dark ride" which TSL lacks of.
Other than that, they don't need any clone anymore. If HK Legislative Council could approve more budget, they could start build a new land.
Land or not, what I do believe is they do need more dark rides. It could get very hot and rainy in the HK for most time of the year.
In my opinion, you're both right. Look: the main problem is that the park needs more stuff to do. New rides in existing lands is one way to do it, but that's not necessarily exclusive from adding new lands with new rides. Both add more rides - in the end addressing the main problem. Yes, HKDL's lands might be sparse, but if they continue to add attractions, regardless of whether it's packaged as a 'new' land or not, then I can't see that as anything other than a development healthy for the park as a whole.
Been busy all week with college stuff - finally getting some much needed free-time and time to post pics on the forums. On Day 4, I got to FINALLY get a preview to GG thanks to a friend so I'll be uploading those pics tomorrow morning with some in this post. Day 3 is just some pics from the Golden Mickeys.
And this is especially for Orddu (though this Tarzan isn't the same as the one my cousin fell for)
I'm way too tired to post all the GG pics right now, but here are some anyways:
Day 4, Part 1
A really big (space consumption wise) entrance.....
The 3rd portion (last 4 rows) on the mine cars gets no fun out of this drop. The best rows to get are the first 3.
Definitely the most thrilling and satisfying ride at the park. There were CMs surveying APs and according to them, the land has gotten an overwhelmingly positive response - which is great!
The mountain itself is pretty small (as with everything EXCEPT Mystic Manor at the park) but superbly detailed like Mt. Prometheus at TDS (can't believe I'm actually comparing something at HKDL to TDS).
Mystic Manor is coming out fine - though with all the colors and the cartoony look, its not going to be as haunted and dark as I wanted it to be.
All the pics above (including those of GG I haven't yet posted) have been uploaded on my flickr page and can be found in high resolution as well: EXR HKDL June/July 2012 - a set on Flickr
ORGCOH: That there Gizzard Gulch may just be the thing ta git more respect fer poor ol' Ping Pong Dizzyland. Folks might just start pourin' from all over the place and make lots a money fer the place so's they can add even more stuff!
ORDDU: Thank you for the photos of my favorite man in a loin clother, dear. You know how much I love Tarzan.
ORWEN: So are you living back in Hong Kong permanently, HKDLFAN, duckling?
I've contacted one of the higher ups of HKDL and, I'm paraphrasing here, he acknowledges that it's disappointing when the CMs don't get what the Disney experience is all about.
Needless to say, I'm sure they're aware of it, and that some of the negative encounters I had were not part of company policy (the lack of a doggie bag I mentioned in my last trip report).
Day 4, Part 2
I'll be at the park tomorrow to snap a couple more pics and hopefully get some TSL nighttime photos given that it gets closed well before nightfall.
The entrance of GG is MASSIVE. Too open, spaced, wide and Tokyo Disney-ish. Quite unlike most parts of HKDL. Hopefully that means that this space is temporary and something is in the pipeline to fill it up.
Though this land feels rather empty in terms of buildings (There's just two, the fragmented queue buildings don't count and neither do the really small Geyser Gulch ones), the sight of mine cars twisting all over the land is an attraction itself.
Once you enter the town itself, it gets very crowded. The small area with the land's two attractions, it's shop and snack shop, was really cramped with the AP crowd - so you can imagine how hellish normal every-day crowds will be. ALL that space leading up to the town is a waste, waste, waste! It's really annoying since the town (however small and few buildings it may have) is superbly detailed - more so than Frontierlands at other parks.
Nice bit of humor there: there's a white panel behind the steam engine with the words "Never Fail" on it - which is obviously a blatant lie!
Though there's not much to do (Lets face it, BGM and Geyser Gulch cater to two very distinct and narrow age-groups), there's ALOT to see around the land.
That geyser shoots water really high.
From here, the town looks quite good. Quaint, authentic and immersive BUT those buildings are all part of the bloated queue line (If Space Mountain's queue line is 1/3 full at max most days, what are the chances BGM's queue will even be 1/4 full?). Seriously, the queue is massive - not just the really big indoors bit, but the beautiful outdoors section too.
.... And this is the town.
Mystic Manor rises
The undeservingly big outdoors section of the queue (that will only be used if the indoors gets fulled - which I doubt it will once the opening weel crowds settle).
BGM from the ride's exit
More exit shots
Top-notch detail here
I'll definitely take some indoor queue shots tomorrow, the queue is brilliant.
A Geyser Gulch building
There's a single-rider line as well - though strangely no fastpass
Pathway leading to a secluded end of the land with an eating area, first aid, and an overview of the outdoor portion of the BGM queue
Nice little snacking area
The first 3 seconds of the ride are pretty intense as the cars drop down at high-speed. I don't think many kids liked the ride, I saw several crying upon offload.
All these pics are available in high resolution, MC wouldn't let me upload them: EXR HKDL June/July 2012 - a set on Flickr
I'll post the rest of the pics along with the ones I take tomorrow soon (1-2 days).
Here are some random shots from opening day:
BGM broke down for several hours on opening day - technical failure with the blast mechanism in the dynamite caves.
The rest will be uploaded soon (along with some night shots) since my flickr has finally been fixed *thankfully*.
These pics are available in their original state at HKDLFAN's photosets on Flickr
I really love Grizzly Gulch. I think I might even like it more than Cars Land. I only wish there were more things to do there.
Is Grizzly Mountain intense or is it a tame family ride? It does not look that tall from the pictures and it seems like the drops are less than those in Thunder Mountain. Does it seem like the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train? It definitely does not seem as high as Expedition Everest.
I really would rank Grizzly Gulch above the other Frontierlands if it didn't just have one ride. As for the ride itself, it's not tame at all. The blast from the dynamite cave is more intense than it looks and the drops here are faster, longer and bigger than those of Big Thunder Mountain. Its miles away from the ferocity of Expedition Everest so it can be considered a family ride - though I'm not sure if every kid can handle it. And Im quite sure its much more intense than the Snow White coaster. Hope that answers your questions.