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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    I don't like Country Bear Jamboree. I think it's too old and not interesting enough. To me, this is a boring show. This park really needs other big E-tickets. I also think that, with Ratatouille Kitchen Calamity which is currently developped for Disneyland Paris, Walt Disney Imagineering will now focus on 3D-screen technology for its rides to compete with Universal's Transformers and Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man. Don't be surprise if that's not classic Disney rides which will come in the future, but brand new technological rides, themed after the Marvel universe.
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    But why copy Universal when Disney could be different from them and include physical set pieces and actual animatronics? Sitting on a moving seat and watching a movie that matches your movements is cool and all but honestly I'd much rather see Disney make innovations in actual physical attractions rather than screen rides. The Country Bear Jamboree may be an old show but it continues to prove popular in Florida and Tokyo and would more than likely be a smashing success in Hong Kong as another user has stated. If the Chinese audience is as captivated with audio animatronics as he says they are, then CBJ would be a perfect fit for Grizzly Gulch. Western River would be the next best thing.
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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    Quote Originally Posted by MANEATINGWREATH View Post
    But why copy Universal when Disney could be different from them and include physical set pieces and actual animatronics? Sitting on a moving seat and watching a movie that matches your movements is cool and all but honestly I'd much rather see Disney make innovations in actual physical attractions rather than screen rides. The Country Bear Jamboree may be an old show but it continues to prove popular in Florida and Tokyo and would more than likely be a smashing success in Hong Kong as another user has stated. If the Chinese audience is as captivated with audio animatronics as he says they are, then CBJ would be a perfect fit for Grizzly Gulch. Western River would be the next best thing.
    First we need to wait and see how Grizzly Gulch performs. I wouldn't say TSL has been a resounding success - it's the LEAST visited land and the main thrill ride there (RC Racer, which is a success in the Studios park in Paris) has an average wait time of 5-15 mins. The calmer Slinky Dog Spin gets far more people.

    It's the same with Space Mountain. Though it has gotten popular now with the increase in visitors, it still gets fewer people than Pooh, IASW (daytime crowds), Autopia, AstroBlasters, Jungle Cruise and Slinky Dog Spin.

    I doubt we will see another E-Ticket for Grizzly Gulch if the curse of thrill rides (being that they underperform and rides (trash) like Slinky Dog prosper) at HKDL extends into BGM. Either we'll see more stuff like Mystic Point (if it is a success) or simple carny trash like Slinky.

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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    Interesting to hear that. Well maybe the park needs more carny rides...as long as they're themed correctly and appropriately and not out of place. How long are the waits for the teacups and carousel and Dumbo?
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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    Quote Originally Posted by MANEATINGWREATH View Post
    Interesting to hear that. Well maybe the park needs more carny rides...as long as they're themed correctly and appropriately and not out of place. How long are the waits for the teacups and carousel and Dumbo?
    I'm sure frequent visitors to the park like SirEdge or Timmy could back me up on this, the wait times are solid (peak days 40 mins, and 40 mins is considered ALOT at HKDL). Around evening the crowds thin down at the rides and head over to Main St. for the fireworks so the wait times are considerably lower after 6:30ish.

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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    I think part of the reason the two thrill rides in the park are suffering is because they are the ONLY two thrill rides in the park. Once Grizzly opens, however, HKDL may be able to attract visitors who skipped HKDL for Ocean Park because of the lack of thrills...

    That's my theory.

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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    Jeez that's crazy. Well hopefully Big Grizzly Mountain goes over well enough to start attracting in more thrill-seekers. It'd be a shame to see the park fall victim to lack of attendance, especially with Shanghai Disneyland opening nearby. I'm curious as to whether or not that will keep visitors from coming to HKDL. I mean they are at a reasonable distance from each other as DL and WDW are in the same country but nonetheless I'm not too fond of two resorts being built so close to one another, especially when one of them is still struggling.
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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    I like the Country Bear Jamboree well enough, but I don't think it should be added to Grizzly Gulch. The relative realism of the bears in the two attractions is inconsistent and jarring -- you have completely anthropomorphic, singing bears in one, and mostly realistic bears in the other.

    In fact, Grizzly Gulch tends toward greater realism on the whole -- "Grizzly Gulch" is the name of both the land and the town, and the entire area (coaster, buildings, characters) was designed with a single consistent backstory.

    Compare this to other Frontierlands -- the Magic Kingdom's, for example, has the CBJ (cartoony, with fully anthropomorphic animals), Splash Mountain (same), Big Thunder (mostly realistic), and Tom Sawyer Island (realistic). Like most Disneyland-park type "lands," it's become a melding of a number of attractions that share the same general theme, but varying degrees of realism. This is mostly out of necessity, as having to populate a land with attractions of the same level of realism would typically inhibit general park development, or at least creativity in design.

    This is true as well for attractions from widely differing time periods and locations, as is largely the case for the various Fantasylands (e.g., American circus, medieval Europe, Edwardian London, etc.).

    In contrast, Grizzly Gulch has a very specific location and time period that unifies the land; it appears that Mystic Point will be the same. One downside to this is a relative dearth of attractions (for now, at least). I would be happy to see both lands expand in the future, but only with attractions that are wholly consistent with the lands' overarching gestalt -- no cartoony spinner in front of Mystic Manor, for example.

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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    True. Grizzly Gulch is set in 1888 correct? Or is it a few years afterwards? When designing wild west attractions they'd definitely have to take into consideration the time period. Good points Kuhio.
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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    I think HKDL needs some more thrilling rides. I know that Disney is not the specialist ofthis kind of rides, I don't even like them, but is what HK people is looking for, and is the main reason of why the Ocean Park, the neighboard park of HKDL is winning the battle since HKDL opened! Just look at it, it's a Six Flags-kind park full of roller coasters. I'm sure, that disney can create some original thrilling attractions with that Disney "presence" we all love and this roller coaster is the best example.
    Just looking at RC Racer, Big Grizzly Mountain and the future Haunted Mansion, I see that HKDL is following that direction and its right (in my humble opinion).

    Expanding Grizzly Gulch could be a great solution, maybe adding some other rides like a Splash Mountain, but I don't know how they could work with the space, considering that Grizzly Gulch has the bad luck to be in the middle of two other minilands.

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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    Actually I feel Grizzly Gulch is a little misplaced. It should be in the middle between Mystic Point and Toy Story Land. You go from the cowboy Woody to Grizzly Gulch and it matches quite well.

    Mystic Point, with its tropical forest setting, could easily have been a part of Adventureland.

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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    Quote Originally Posted by Asa View Post
    Actually I feel Grizzly Gulch is a little misplaced. It should be in the middle between Mystic Point and Toy Story Land. You go from the cowboy Woody to Grizzly Gulch and it matches quite well.

    Mystic Point, with its tropical forest setting, could easily have been a part of Adventureland.
    Yeah you're right.

    I just hope that when I stand at MP, I will not see the RC Racer, Parachute drop, or Grizzly Mountain

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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    Also there will be the "Adventurers' Club" restaurant at Mystic Point. Isn't that a direct fit for Adventureland?

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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    Well, maybe one day TSL will be destroyed for Indy, and then the lands won't feel so misplaced.

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    Re: Should Grizzly Gulch Expand?

    I think HKDL needs some more thrilling rides. I know that Disney is not the specialist ofthis kind of rides, I don't even like them, but is what HK people is looking for, and is the main reason of why the Ocean Park, the neighboard park of HKDL is winning the battle since HKDL opened! Just look at it, it's a Six Flags-kind park full of roller coasters.
    It's more like a Busch Gardens Tampa actually. Fairly zoo heavy, has a dolphin show too. Ocean Park is winning because it was already a nearly full day park and they have also completed a major, major expansion. Is it Disney level comparable? No, but there is just sooo many more attractions.

    HKDL is a great park, on par with Animal Kingdom. Like Animal Kingdom it's a half day park and in dire need of attractions. Unlike Animal Kingdom it's not a unique concept park, therefore the missing attractions are more notable.

    Moving forward I like the effort and scale of this expansion, but it needs a phase two. The only cloned attraction that is forgivable would be TSMM, additional attractions I'd like to see should follow the mould of Grizzly Gulch and Mystic Point (a nod to a classic but re-themed and re-evisioned).

    I just hope that when I stand at MP, I will not see the RC Racer, Parachute drop, or Grizzly Mountain
    RC Racers and Grizzly won't be a problem from what I've seen, they seem to be set far enough back that trees will block them.

    However, I took this from the Parachute Drop in May...

    In its defence you absolutely could not see Toy Story Land from anywhere current in the park, including the corner of Fantasy Land where you access it. The trees are much more dense in HK and the lands for the most part cannot be seen unless you really go out of your way (Parachute Drop - currently Mystic Point, Tarzan's Tree House - Could spot the Grizzly Gulch Mountain, but no Line of sight where guests would be). I wouldn't be too worried despite that line of sight from the picture, they can fix it with well placed trees.
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