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    a breakthru in 2006 for negotiation between Disney and Shanghai - Mingpao News,3/8/06

    滬證實籌建迪士尼2006年3月8日明報專訊】上海市長、全國人大代表韓正表示,上海對興建迪士尼樂園期盼已久,上海有條件建好這座迪士尼樂園,目前各項前期準備工作都在進行中,最終有待中央和國務院作決 定。他透露,與美方談判今年會有突破,並表示上海與香港的競爭是有序的,競爭有利於發展。這是上海市長首次 回應建迪士尼樂園的傳聞。 韓正﹕開展前期工作 待國務院拍板

    韓正昨日在回答中外記者提問時說,上海希望建一座迪士尼樂園,而且期望已久,但具體什麼時候開始建設,現仍 不能確定。「應當說,上海有條件建好一座迪士尼樂園,有關方面的各項前期工作,目前正在進行,但最終待中央 和國務院決定,上海按國務院的決定來辦。」
    指與美方談判「今年有突破」
    被問到上海建樂園會否與香港形成競爭,韓正說﹕「我們希望與香港形成合作,更好的是合作,我們與香港在CE PA框架下的合作進展順利,是全方位的,合作包括經濟、人才等多方面。香港服務業方面很有優勢,值得上海學 習。」他透露,目前已有千多名港人根據CEPA框架的條件,到上海工作。
    韓正坦言,上海與香港的競爭是存在的。「但這是一種有序的競爭,是雙方發展前提下的競爭,競爭還是有利於發 展的。」他又透露,上海為建迪士尼與美方的談判,「06年應該會有突破」。
    自去年起,外界一直傳言美國迪士尼公司有意繼香港後,再在中國建設一座主題樂園,對此上海市政府始終未給予 明確回應,韓正昨日首次披露上海官方的設想。
    港迪士尼﹕2010年前內地不會建樂園
    香港迪士尼樂園發言人強調,園方在2010年前不會在內地任何地方興建新迪士尼樂園,但承認樂園一直有跟中 央政府協商在內地發展的可行性,而目前未有任何新的公布。
    明報兩會專組北京報道
    Source: MingPao News (in Chinese only)

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    Mayor Han revealed to reporters that the relevant preparatory work for Disney Theme Park is now underway and they are waiting for the approval from central government and the State Council.

    He also revealed that the year 2006 might be the year of breakthru for negotiations between Shanghai Municipal Government and Disney to build the Disney theme park.

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    Re: a breakthru in 2006 for negotiation between Disney and Shanghai - Mingpao News,3/

    Then there is this article from the Shanghai Daily:

    City laying red carpet to coax Disneyland

    SHANGHAI is moving ahead with plans to welcome the Magic Kingdom, Mayor Han Zheng said yesterday, marking the first government acknowledgement that Walt Disney Co may follow its Hong Kong theme park with one on the Chinese mainland.

    "Shanghai has been hoping to build a Disneyland for a long time," Han told reporters in Beijing, where he was attending the annual meeting of the National People's Congress.

    "Shanghai has the conditions for a Disneyland," he said. "Preliminary preparations are ongoing, but the final decision will be made by the State Council."
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    Disney, the second-biggest US media company, said it is involved in a continuing dialogue with China on a variety of initiatives, including theme parks, but has not reached an agreement with Shanghai to build a second Disney resort in China.

    "There is nothing new to report on the progress of Shanghai discussions," the company said in a statement e-mailed to Shanghai Daily yesterday. "If we were to reach an agreement for a second park in China, it would not open before 2010."

    Disney set up a theme park operations unit in Shanghai last July to accelerate negotiations with city government.
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    Smile Re: a breakthru in 2006 for negotiation between Disney and Shanghai - Mingpao News,3/8/06

    Quote Originally Posted by HongKongDisneyland

    Perhaps Disney can't announce Shanghai Disneyland for a certain number of years, according to their contract on Hong Kong Disneyland.

    Maybe they'll just start construction without announcing anything until they are free to do what they want... and ta da the long rumored park opened today...

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    Re: a breakthru in 2006 for negotiation between Disney and Shanghai - Mingpao News,3/8/06

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer
    Perhaps Disney can't announce Shanghai Disneyland for a certain number of years, according to their contract on Hong Kong Disneyland.

    Maybe they'll just start construction without announcing anything until they are free to do what they want... and ta da the long rumored park opened today...
    Most of the newspapers in HK and Mainland have reported that they have seen lots of preparation work done in ChuanSha (the rumored future site of Shanghai Disney Theme Park). Roads, Bridges, Highways etc are being built in Chuansha area. The extension of the Maglev line has been announced. These are the infrastructure needed for the upcoming theme park. I believe a deal will be struck soon.

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    Re: a breakthru in 2006 for negotiation between Disney and Shanghai - Mingpao News,3/8/06

    Can we see the map again? That's cool the MAGLEV will go through it. Will it be the size of EURO DISNEY or the size of TOKYO DISNEY?

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    Re: a breakthru in 2006 for negotiation between Disney and Shanghai - Mingpao News,3/8/06

    Does anyone have a satellite view of the ChuanSha area of Shanghai that HKDL
    is talking about?

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    Re: a breakthru in 2006 for negotiation between Disney and Shanghai - Mingpao News,3/8/06

    Quote Originally Posted by HongKongDisneyland
    These are the infrastructure needed for the upcoming theme park.
    It may be infastructure needed for an upcoming park...but I am willing to bet it has nothing to do with the "park".
    Why on earth would anyone build new roads and trains and infastructure for a themepark before any deal is even announced for it to be built?? I mean even when courting Disney China would surely offer them but why would they build them before a deal because if Disney walked away they'd have this infastructure that was no longer needed. No if China is building it already it is because China needs it, not Disney.

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    Re: a breakthru in 2006 for negotiation between Disney and Shanghai - Mingpao News,3/8/06

    They could always prepare a site and offer it to Universal, who has thought about going into China. And then move on to LEGO. They might be 3rd choice suitors... And the list continues until SHAMU is center stage in the Peoples Republic...

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    Re: a breakthru in 2006 for negotiation between Disney and Shanghai - Mingpao News,3/8/06

    米老鼠上海300亿堆砌新舞台 开园暂定于2010年

    中新浙江网3月11日电 “上海有条件建好一座迪斯尼乐园,各项前期准备工作都在进行。”3月7日,上海市市长韩正首次对此间盛传的 ,上海准备建设迪斯尼乐园的消息给予回应。
      不久前,迪斯尼行政总裁艾格已经证实,迪斯尼正与上海市政府磋商兴建主题公园事宜。韩正表示,有关工作 将待中央和国务院最后拍板。
      记者获得的一份迪斯尼开工时间表显示,川沙镇部分居民将于今年底开始拆迁,同时华特迪斯尼幻想工程(W alt Disney Imagineering)人员将由香港迁往上海。上海迪斯尼预计2008年正式开始动工建设,开园日期暂 定于2010年。
      选址川沙镇
      据消息灵通人士透露,2002年上海曾与环球主题公园及度假区(Universal Parks & Resorts)签署协议,兴建上海环球影城,并计划在今年开幕。但由于种种变故,上海环球影城至今不见踪 影。因此,此次迪斯尼项目,上海志在必得。
      记者了解到,上海迪斯尼乐园面积将是香港迪斯尼乐园的3.7倍,预计施工时间超过3年,耗资超过300 亿元人民币,而且要赶在世博会前,即2010年竣工开放,地址在浦东川沙镇。
      事实上,早在2005年底的全球文化产业发展论坛上,美国迪斯尼集团代理执行主席唐·罗宾逊 ,就向与会者描绘了迪斯尼试图“让孙悟空与米老鼠共舞”,委婉表达了进入中国内地市场的愿望。
      上海市川沙镇政府一位官员向记者透露,上海早已预留了浦东机场附近川沙镇一片土地建迪斯尼乐园。同时, 记者获得一份川沙镇内部的规划图。在规划图上可以看到,以川沙镇的迎宾大道为界,一南一北规划出了一大片土 地,上面有“大型娱乐主题项目预留地”的字样。
      当官方尚未正式公布上海迪斯尼乐园选址时,就有好几只上海迪斯尼概念股出现迅猛涨停的迹象。银河证券分 析师曹远刚认为,上海寸土寸金,但位于东海边的浦东川沙镇和南汇区还有大量的空地,被称为“上海后花园”。 上海迪斯尼乐园在此落户,区内的地产价格必定飙升。
      4年后开园?
      有消息表明,上海市陆家嘴集团公司(具有上海政府官方背景)和华特迪斯尼公司初步计划在浦东共同注册成 立一家股份公司。迪斯尼以商誉、技术和资金入股,约占51%的股权,陆家嘴集团以土地入股,占 49%股权。
      此前,华特迪斯尼亚太有限公司亚太区总监陈文端曾向媒体表示,在2010年前,中国内地不会开第二个迪 斯尼乐园。同时,香港迪斯尼发言人也说,中国境内第二个迪斯尼乐园不会在4年内开幕。分析人士认为,这等于 间接透露,上海迪斯尼乐园最早将会在4年后开园。
      “当初中央之所以批准香港投资建设迪斯尼,是为配合香港经济复苏。由于香港的管理水平高,目前香港迪斯 尼经营状况良好。华特迪斯尼如今把目光进一步投向内地市场,选址自然在经济发达、作为经济中心的上海。”苏 州大学商学院孙永正教授分析说。
      孙永正还表示,作为长三角的龙头,上海有着发达的交通。迪斯尼的建成将对长三角旅游业和文化产业产生明 显影响力。苏州、无锡、常州、杭州等旅游城市会承接从上海回流的大量客流,对该地区产生连带性的作用。同时 ,上海借此机会大力发展服务性产业,刺激内需,加快经济健康快速增长。
      上海的迪斯尼情结
      早在2000年,时任上海市市长的徐匡迪就指出,长三角区域拥有中国最富裕的1亿人口,光是这1亿人口 就足以支撑上海修建一个迪斯尼乐园。2010年上海世博会召开时,沪杭磁悬浮和京沪高铁也将相继开通,更大 范围的内地游客将可以在几个小时车程内到达上海迪斯尼。上海预留的迪斯尼面积将是香港迪斯尼的 4倍。
      “搞国际航运中心、金融中心,都不如建迪斯尼乐园对上海旅游服务业推动大。”上海浦东经贸局一位人士说 。他的这种看法,来自于考察美国奥兰多迪斯尼乐园时留下的深刻印象。“奥兰多每年接待3000万游客,城市 的100多万人口中,有80%的人口直接或间接为迪斯尼服务。你说迪斯尼将为上海带来什么?”在他看来,迪 斯尼的意义不言而喻。
      浦东发展与改革研究院秘书长杨周彝认为,除了强大客源支持可使上海的迪斯尼乐园直接获益外,迪斯尼还可 以促进上海制造业、零售业、餐饮业、酒店业等相关行业发展,同时带动就业,对提升上海城市形象也有重要的作 用。
      迪斯尼公司方面同样不讳言,他们看中的不仅是上海及内地庞大的旅游人口和强劲的消费能力,还希望进一步 在长三角地区乃至更广阔的内地市场拓展该公司的周边产品,包括电视、电影以及各种消费产品。据消息人士透露 ,上海方面很可能开通一个迪斯尼电视频道。
      “内地居民到上海玩迪斯尼不需要签证,而境外到浦东机场的过境客也可以免签证48小时。”一位浦东主题 公园办公室工作人士对记者表示。上海迪斯尼之所以不能在2010年前开业,完全因为中央曾对香 港的承诺。
      对于上海迪斯尼可能对香港迪斯尼形成的竞争压力,韩正表示:“我们希望与香港形成合作,上海与香港在C EPA框架下的合作进展顺利,合作包括经济、人才等多方面。目前已有1000多名港人根据此项框架的条件入 沪工作。”
    Source : business sohu (in Simplified Chinese only)


    Partial Translation:

    Mickey Mouse spends 30billion yuan in Shanghai for 2010 opening

    Our journalists have a Disney project schedule indicates that chuansha town residents will be moving out by the end of this year while Walt Disney Imagineering personnel will be relocated from Hong Kong to Shanghai. Shanghai Disney Theme Park is expected to officially commence construction in 2008 and tentatively scheduled for opening in 2010.


    Shanghai Disney Theme Park (ChuanSha, Pudong) will be 3.7 times bigger than Hong Kong Disneyland, construction will take over three years at a cost of over 30 billion yuan, to make it ready before Shanghai's World Expo in 2010.

    Due to prior commitment made by the Central Government with Hong Kong, Shanghai Disney Theme Park could not be opened before 2010.
    Shanghai World Expo 2010 : http://www.expo2010china.com/expo/english/eu/
    Last edited by HongKongDisneyland; 03-10-2006 at 10:16 PM.

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    Re: a breakthru in 2006 for negotiation between Disney and Shanghai - Mingpao News,3/8/06

    3 times bigger that Hong Kong Disneyland but takes only 2 years to build? Hold on here.
    Secondly I still cannot picture Disney accepting land that is forcing out peseants from their homes.

    They could always prepare a site and offer it to Universal, who has thought about going into China. And then move on to LEGO. They might be 3rd choice suitors... And the list continues until SHAMU is center stage in the Peoples Republic...
    And when Universal says no because GE won't spend any money on them and Lego says no because it's too large scale for them and Six Flags will say NO and SeaWorld decided to not meddel in China they'd still be left with a site they spent tons of money on for no reason.

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